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Did they psych

Poll: What is your action (38 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your action

  1. They psyched, I go for spades (3S, later 4S) (3 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

  2. They psyched, other (1 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  3. No bluff, pass (least evil) (30 votes [78.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 78.95%

  4. No bluff, other (4 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

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#21 User is offline   Miron 

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Posted 2007-March-07, 15:21

They had not made any psych bid. LHO has ♠A10xxxx (six of them).
The bidding was at our table:
2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠
pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠
pass - 5♥ - all
5♥-4 = -400, luckily they didn't double. After the board I wasn't sure what to do with this type of hands. The majority of you, believes opp the spades and tries pass or 3NT. I think it is good idea. I'm cleverer now :) I will also remove the 4♠ natural meaning from my system.

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Posted 2007-March-07, 16:13

pass, they may have psyched, but 3S followed by
4S will be interpreted as heart support + control,
i.e. there is no way, we will play 4S.
Partner may have bid 3H on 6 card suit with 10HCP,
i.e. we dont make anything, and 3H is not doubled
yet.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2007-March-07, 16:33

Miron, on Mar 7 2007, 04:21 PM, said:

The bidding was at our table:
2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠
pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠
pass - 5♥ - all

As the only person who voted for the 'they psyched' option, with the caveat I wrote in the thread, I would be pleased as punch that partner bid 4♣, and there we would play.

While I still like 3♠ as a possible psyche exposer (if partner rebids 3NT, it's a psych, if he doesn't assume it isn't), I have been convinced by the overwhelming majority here that I just don't have the strength to make that attempt.
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Posted 2007-March-07, 16:42

This reminds me of a hand from a few weeks ago, I had ♠QJT9876 (no gaps!) and RHO opened 1♠! I thought he psyched (he does that sometimes) but when he rebid 4♠ we had a fun board :D
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Posted 2007-March-07, 17:28

If LHO psyched, he sure chose the right moment to do it.. LOL

Anyway, if he didn't psych, the game is a bit of a misfit, so I pass 3♥.

Incidently, you can expose the psych by bidding 3NT followed by spades if pard pulls you out of NTs.
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Posted 2007-March-07, 17:34

whereagles, on Mar 7 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

Incidently, you can expose the psych by bidding 3NT followed by spades if pard pulls you out of NTs.

No, you can't. If partner bids something over 3N and you bid 4S that is a cuebid. If my opps want to psyche first seat weak 2s I'll be glad to encourage them by telling them I cannot expose their psyche. When their partner starts jumping it will become quite amusing.
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Posted 2007-March-07, 20:37

Psyched on what? 5-7 solid clubs to set 3NT? So, Ill fall for it???
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Posted 2007-March-07, 21:49

The one thing people forgot to mention is that if PARTNER has short S (and he will have 0 or 1 if there was no psyche) he may have pushed to bid his long H.

If that is the case you should just be happy to have escaped the axe in 3H (3NT with this hand is awful as no S tricks etc)...and smile sweetly if they have psyched.


In a far far way land I have a well-deserved reputation as an almost inveterate psycher (or is that merely psychotic) and I can tell you that the people who try to double-guess continually are the biggest losers.

Skid Simon is so right: concede the occasional battle, win the war!
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Posted 2007-March-07, 23:19

There are two choices for me: pass or 3NT. 3S would never come to my mind. You have to refrain yourself of bidding 3S if it ever comes to your mind.
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Posted 2007-March-07, 23:21

Pass. 3NT won't make, neither will 4H.
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Posted 2007-March-08, 02:25

Jlall, on Mar 7 2007, 11:34 PM, said:

whereagles, on Mar 7 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

Incidently, you can expose the psych by bidding 3NT followed by spades if pard pulls you out of NTs.

No, you can't. If partner bids something over 3N and you bid 4S that is a cuebid.

Are you sure?

(2♠) .. 3♥ (pass) 3NT
(pass) 4♥ (pass) 4♠

How come a hand that wanted to play in 3NT, possibly with a lot of spade wastage, has now found "extras" to play a slam? This is obviously not impossible, but is it more likely that LHO psyched?
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Posted 2007-March-08, 08:24

whereagles, on Mar 8 2007, 03:25 AM, said:

(2♠) .. 3♥ (pass) 3NT
(pass) 4♥ (pass) 4♠

If they psyched, partner should have some spades, so why would he pull?
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Posted 2007-March-08, 08:31

whereagles, on Mar 8 2007, 03:25 AM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 7 2007, 11:34 PM, said:

whereagles, on Mar 7 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

Incidently, you can expose the psych by bidding 3NT followed by spades if pard pulls you out of NTs.

No, you can't. If partner bids something over 3N and you bid 4S that is a cuebid.

Are you sure?

Yes.
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Posted 2007-March-09, 03:37

Clear Pass . Why is 3H better than 3NT ? easy, i am not doubled. If they psyched so be it .
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Posted 2007-March-09, 04:20

jtfanclub, on Mar 8 2007, 02:24 PM, said:

whereagles, on Mar 8 2007, 03:25 AM, said:

(2♠) .. 3♥ (pass) 3NT
(pass) 4♥ (pass) 4♠

If they psyched, partner should have some spades, so why would he pull?

Well, he might think hearts play better, i.e.

Kxx
QJT9xx
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Posted 2007-April-14, 11:12

3♠ later 4♠
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