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Choice of asylums

Poll: Choice of asylums (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Choice of asylums

  1. Pass (11 votes [47.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.83%

  2. 1H (8 votes [34.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.78%

  3. 3N (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  4. Other (3 votes [13.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

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#1 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2007-March-01, 11:29

White / Red. IMPs against a very weak team

(Note: you have them down 52 at the half (31 after the handicap), but they have made some agressive decisions which have paid off. This was the 12th of 14 in the 2nd 1/2).

RHO opens 1♣ and you look at:

Scoring: IMP


Your call?
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Posted 2007-March-01, 11:41

Tough one, I think I would bid 1H. Pass then clubs risks missing a 5-4 heart fit and also I'll never be able to show this much strength with that route. Admittedly the followups to this are going to get murky, but on a good day partner will just raise hearts.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 11:43

Let me in nuthouse... I will pass.

Someone will bid, parnter or LHO. There is no reason to distort the bidding by bidding 1♥ on this suit, nor to jump to 3NT with out a single major suit stopper and with a spade void to boot.

In the best of all possible world's partner will reopen with a double and we have a delightful decision to try for slam in hearts or set 1♣ at least six (if we can make slam). Of course, they will run out to spades, but then we can aim for a a logical contract.

There is no way, no how this hand will be passed out playing with a competent partner.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 11:49

Pass, with great sympathy for 1♥. However, I really need a lot of good things to happen for us to miss a non-vul game: partner needs 4+♥s and that is against the odds. The flip side is that if we overcall 1♥ and partner is on lead against a ♠ contract, I am going to wish I had kept my mouth shut. My guess is that we don't have a 9+ fit in ♥s and that we don't have any other game...or, if we do, we may still get there: I am bidding later if feasible...who knows, after I pass, rho may innocently bid 1N...and if he does, I'll be really happy I passed, since the odds of a 5-4♥ fit plummet if rho lacks 4♠s.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 11:52

1H ;)
No problem yet.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 11:58

Another advantage of pass.. .in the extremely highly unlikely situation it goes all pass, you can pull trumps, probably in 3 rounds, and then set up hearts. If should your partner ahve nothing but three small hearts, you might score 2H, 2D, and 6C for +400 with nothing working your way.

I don't think for a minute it will go 1♣ all pass.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 11:59

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I will simply open 1♣. My longest suit and i have no rebid problem because i can rebid ♣ or bid ♥ and I'm strong enough to do so. If partner bids ♠ I can still consider 3 NT.
Since partner will expect only 3♣, he will usually answer even very weak or opps will bid ♠. This gives partner the option to dbl to show ♥'s even with only few points.

Thank you Ben for this important hint (see next post).

In this case I'll go 1♥, because with only 11- HCP for LHO and partner, I won't here a reopening from partner and to often no bid from opps. And if I'm unlucky 1♣ is only down 3.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 12:00

hotShot, on Mar 1 2007, 12:59 PM, said:

I will simply open 1♣. My longest suit and i have no rebid problem because i can rebid ♣ or bid ♥ and I'm strong enough to do so. If partner bids ♠ I can still consider 3 NT.
Since partner will expect only 3♣, he will usually answer even very weak or opps will bid ♠. This gives partner the option to dbl to show ♥'s even with only few points.

Good choice... but your Right Hand Opponent (RHO) beat you to the 1♣ bid.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 12:02

Interesting so far.

If you pass, it goes 1♥ on your left, pass, 1N on your right.

If you overcall 1♥, it goes pass on your left, double on your right.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 12:08

pclayton, on Mar 1 2007, 01:02 PM, said:

If you overcall 1♥, it goes pass on your left, double on your right.

yikes they're after me. Maybe they'll X 2C now lol.

2C.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 12:12

Jlall, on Mar 1 2007, 08:08 PM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 1 2007, 01:02 PM, said:

If you overcall 1♥, it goes pass on your left, double on your right.

yikes they're after me. Maybe they'll X 2C now lol.

2C.

I second that.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 12:14

I pass, but not happy with it. However I don't like 1♥ and any of the other alternatives seems even worse. ;)
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Posted 2007-March-01, 12:17

I'd be able to bid 2!c naturally.
With a ♠ void I expect to survive this round, and be able to butt in with the ♥ suit later.

BTW, 2♦ would show a wjo in a major and 2♥/♠ wld show 55M, weak/strong.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 12:19

Jlall, on Mar 1 2007, 01:08 PM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 1 2007, 01:02 PM, said:

If you overcall 1♥, it goes pass on your left, double on your right.

yikes they're after me. Maybe they'll X 2C now lol.

2C.

ditto
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Posted 2007-March-01, 12:58

pclayton, on Mar 1 2007, 02:02 PM, said:

If you pass, it goes 1♥ on your left, pass, 1N on your right.

pass, then pass again
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Posted 2007-March-01, 14:21

Apollo81, on Mar 1 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 1 2007, 02:02 PM, said:

If you pass, it goes 1♥ on your left, pass, 1N on your right.

pass, then pass again

I can't pass the second time, much as I'd like to. Partner is not going to pass this one out. I can pray he'll reopen with an X, but I think 2♠ is far more likely, and at that point I'm sunk. 3♣ becomes a limit raise in spades, and I don't really want to play this in a 5-0 fit.

I bid 2♣, and let them off the hook. *bleep* happens.
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Posted 2007-March-01, 14:27

jtfanclub, on Mar 1 2007, 03:21 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Mar 1 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 1 2007, 02:02 PM, said:

If you pass, it goes 1♥ on your left, pass, 1N on your right.

pass, then pass again

I can't pass the second time, much as I'd like to. Partner is not going to pass this one out. I can pray he'll reopen with an X, but I think 2♠ is far more likely, and at that point I'm sunk. 3♣ becomes a limit raise in spades, and I don't really want to play this in a 5-0 fit.

I bid 2♣, and let them off the hook. *bleep* happens.

Partner bids 2♠, what is wrong with the value bid of 3NT?
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Posted 2007-March-01, 14:40

inquiry, on Mar 1 2007, 03:27 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Mar 1 2007, 03:21 PM, said:


I bid 2♣, and let them off the hook.  *bleep* happens.

Partner bids 2♠, what is wrong with the value bid of 3NT?

After

1♣ 1♥
1NT P

most of my partners will balance with 2♠ with five junky spades. In fact, it's almost guaranteed that the 5 spades are junk because he didn't bid 1♠ the first time.

I suppose I could bid 3NT, figuring that partner's not going to balance with a 0 count, and if he doesn't have a spade stop surely he has a heart stop. If we were behind, I'd be tempted. 3NT looks swingy to me though...
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Posted 2007-March-01, 15:34

I choose the

(1♣) 3NT

asylum :rolleyes:
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Posted 2007-March-01, 22:06

I would overcall 1H as Justin would. If it passes to my rho who dbls, I would pull to 2C.
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