[Fluffy]

MP, N-S vulnerable

♠
♥QJxxxxx
♦9xxx
♣Jx

W - N - E - S
1♣- X-1♠-4♥
4♠- X -ps-??

[gwnn]

-Partner should know I have long hearts and no points.

-Partner has long (4 or on a lucky day 5) spades. The auction suggests this is a Big Misfit. Let's let opps play it.

[hotShot]

You hold 7♥'s and partner choose to dbl 1♣, so he should not have a ♥ void, so your side has a ♥ fit with 9-10 cards. It is also likely that we have a ♦ fit too.
Opps will have a (double-) fit somewhere too, so the auction does not suggest that opps have a misfit.
Partner may hold something like 3352, 4450 or maybe 4252.
Any ♥ trick he may expect won't happen, and opps hold more ♠'s that he might expect. Opps are very likely very unbalanced so there is a big risk, they can make 4♠.

So I'll bid 5♥ in the given situation.

[Free]

I also bid 5♥ because it's a distributional hand, "bid one more". I can't even lead trumps in 4♠, and I don't see an easy way defeating that contract.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

5H, but given the vulnerability and that you play
MP it is close.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

One of the most obvious 5♥ bids I've came across

[KiwiBridge]

Also one of the silliest 4♥ bids I've ever come across.

[pbleighton]

"Partner should know I have long hearts and no points.

-Partner has long (4 or on a lucky day 5) spades. The auction suggests this is a Big Misfit. Let's let opps play it."

Agree.

Peter

[BebopKid]

In my partnerships, 4♥ overcall of a 1 level bid would have promised 8 hearts. I would have bid 3♥

I would pass after the double of 4♠. My partners would not expect me to bid over that double.

[pbleighton]

"In my partnerships, 4♥ overcall of a 1 level bid would have promised 8 hearts. I would have bid 3♥"

Even if that "one level bid" is a double?

Peter

[the hog]

I find some of these answers weird.

1) The 4H bid is a standout after the X.
2) Pd has heard my bid and elected to X. He knows what I have and he has warned me not to bid on. Do I want to continue to partner this player or not? I have a pass.

[goobers]

What's wrong with pass? You told partner that you have a useless hand outside of hearts... if he wanted 5♥, he would bid it himself, but he chose to double instead.

[whereagles]

The_Hog, on Feb 27 2007, 11:25 PM, said:

2) Pd has heard my bid and elected to X. He knows what I have and he has warned me not to bid on. Do I want to continue to partner this player or not? I have a pass.

Unless you have a specific agreement that 4♥ here shows a hand just like the one you have, I'd be very surprised if pard could guess your actual hand correctly.

Why couldn't you have, for instance, the much more defensive hand..

x
Kxxxxx
Qxx
Qxx

[pclayton]

I like the 4♥ call.

Partner usually doesn't have a pure double of 4♠ on this bidding, and I think he has a right to expect more than a 7-4 and QJ-J for this bidding. We'd certainly make the same bid with say, AJ-6th of hearts and an outside King.

I'm pulling.

[mikeh]

pclayton, on Feb 27 2007, 07:11 PM, said:

I like the 4♥ call.

Partner usually doesn't have a pure double of 4♠ on this bidding, and I think he has a right to expect more than a 7-4 and QJ-J for this bidding. We'd certainly make the same bid with say, AJ-6th of hearts and an outside King.

I'm pulling.

I agree. If partner needs to have 4♠ beat in his own hand opposite my actual hand, the opps will be playing a lot of undoubled contracts when I hold slightly more defensive values. His double of 4♠ involves me in the decision, altho I need a compelling reason to pull. I would/should leave it in with a defensive trick.. a value he is entitled to and should play me for.

I don't have it... so I pull.

This will lead to the occasional disaster, but passing will lead to a different disaster even more often.

[BebopKid]

pbleighton, on Feb 27 2007, 05:47 PM, said:

"In my partnerships, 4♥ overcall of a 1 level bid would have promised 8 hearts. I would have bid 3♥"

Even if that "one level bid" is a double?

Peter

Oops, I missed partner's double. I thought partner passed first round.

4♥ is good bid. I'd still pass after the given auction.

[Edmunte1]

-I'll pass if double is for penality. I expect partner to have 2 trump tricks. If 4♠ makes, 5♥ probably will go down 2. I don't want to change -590 in -500, and overule partner.
-If double shows just extra values and asks partner to make a choice, the obvious choice is 5♥

I play double in this position for penality.

[Codo]

pclayton, on Feb 28 2007, 09:11 AM, said:

I like the 4♥ call.

Partner usually doesn't have a pure double of 4♠ on this bidding, and I think he has a right to expect more than a 7-4 and QJ-J for this bidding. We'd certainly make the same bid with say, AJ-6th of hearts and an outside King.

I'm pulling.

I agree that 4 Heart can be made with hands like the actual example or with hands with more defensive power.

But Pd had three possible bids after4 Spade:

5 HEart: We surely want to play 5 Heart
X: We don´t want to play 5 Hearts
pass: You decide. I have my take out double of 1 Club, so I have 4 (maybe 3) Spades and 4 (maybe 3) HEarts. What shall we do now? Playing 4 Spade, 4 Spade X or 5 Heart?

So with a hand with just two or three defensive tricks Partner will wait for your double with the ace of Heart and an outside king. An if he wanted you to bid 5 Heart with the actual hand, he had passed too. But he did not ask you. He made a statement.

[bid_em_up]

Codo, on Mar 1 2007, 03:24 AM, said:

pclayton, on Feb 28 2007, 09:11 AM, said:

I like the 4♥ call.

Partner usually doesn't have a pure double of 4♠ on this bidding, and I think he has a right to expect more than a 7-4 and QJ-J for this bidding. We'd certainly make the same bid with say, AJ-6th of hearts and an outside King.

I'm pulling.

I agree that 4 Heart can be made with hands like the actual example or with hands with more defensive power.

But Pd had three possible bids after4 Spade:

5 HEart: We surely want to play 5 Heart
X: We don´t want to play 5 Hearts
pass: You decide. I have my take out double of 1 Club, so I have 4 (maybe 3) Spades and 4 (maybe 3) HEarts. What shall we do now? Playing 4 Spade, 4 Spade X or 5 Heart?

So with a hand with just two or three defensive tricks Partner will wait for your double with the ace of Heart and an outside king. An if he wanted you to bid 5 Heart with the actual hand, he had passed too. But he did not ask you. He made a statement.

Yes, but he made a statement based upon the information he has been given by me. My hand has zero tricks on defense and he may be expecting 1 to 1 1/2. My hand also has extra trump length that partner is not aware of, and my hand indicates that the opponents are likely to hold extra trump length in their suit than the auction has disclosed. So even though partner has said he thinks it is best to defend, doesn't mean that I should stop looking at my hand or listening to the auction, and just blindly pass.

Partner is quite likely counting the AK of hearts for between one and two tricks as part of his double. It is entirely probable that we are taking zero heart tricks. So there is merit in at least considering pulling the double to 5H.

I'm inclined to leave this one in though. My weak hand combined with partners original double (indicating spade tolerance) and my spade void leaves me with the impression that partner is strong with good spades.

I pass. For all we know, partner has 5 spades.