[inquiry]

This is an ugly hand for my system... dang you justin.

South has an easy pass. North will have to open 2♣ planning on rebidding 3♦ which is 1) unbalanced, 2) absolute 100% GF, 3) shows 10 tricks or more or a hand just too darn strong to risk 1♦ and hence still GF.

Pass - 2♣
2♦   - 3♦
3♥   - 3NT
4NT  - 5♠
5NT   - 6♦
6♠   - Pass


2♦ is semipositive promising at least "one trick"
3♦ as noted above is 100% GF, showing long diamonds, any second suit is limited to four cards. Will not be 4450, 4054 or 0454.
3♥ natural
3NT natural, black suit stoppers.
4NT natural (partner has ten tricks, I have two black queens, and the heart Ace, I can not reasonably pass
5♠ second suit, must be at least 4-x-5-y, can be 4-x-6-y as well
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Maybe just bid 6♠, but 5NT is pick a slam, north picks 6♦ and south runs to 6♠ giving option between 6♠ and 6NT. North without running diamonds, passes 6♠. If this is too esoteric, south could just bid 6♠ over 5♠ I guess.

I am not 100% sure the bidding would go this way, but NORTH is just too good for 1♦, south clearly has 2♦ and 3♥ bids and north 3NT is clearly right. I can't imagine passing 3NT on this auction with 2 and possibly three tricks (partner could be, for instance 3-1-6-3 with 10 tricks). It is just that north is minimum for the auction and might pass 4NT, and choosing to play in 4-3 spade fit is a little bit double dummy, but not that much.

[kenrexford]

I have no good idea what the final contract will be, to be honest. However, using what I would want, the auction would be as follows, assuming no interference:

Pass (not enough to open for me)
1♦ (4+ diamonds, unbalanced -- usually stiff or void somewhere; better tactically than 2♣-P-2♦(GF waiting)-P-???)
1♥ (natural, 4+, makes North happy not pass)
2♠ (strong JS, stiff in a red suit confirmed)
3♣ (feature possible, but GF -- 2NT would be artificial weak. Not extra hearts, no spade fit, no good diamond fit)
3♦ (weird, but stiff in hearts probably; would bid 3♥ with fragment, but could be 4216-ish)
3♠ (three-card spade support, not diamond support -- would bid 3♥)

Now it gets tricky. If Opener decides to be aggressive, he starts:

3NT (serious)
4♥ (no club control, no diamond honor, heart Ace -- would not show King or stiff opposite a known stiff, but technically could be a void)

And then he must keep going, asking RKCB and hoping that partner has decent hearts.

More likely, backing up, I would not be so aggressive, despite the 23-count. After 3♠, I'd probably bid 4♣ with the North hand. If South now bids 4♥, still the Ace (or possibly void in theory), I'll expect him to have something better than otherwise, because my 4♣ call was not serious.

South, to move over 4♣ by bidding 4♥, would ideally have ♠QJx ♥Axxxx ♦x ♣QJxx, at least from North's perspective. I'm not sure if that is enough to punt back with a 4♥ call.

My guess is a lot of headaches from both sides, and a final contract of 4♠. On wild days, I'll be in 6♠ and praying for some luck.

[mike777]

OHH, well to make it more difficult I thought west opened 1H, maybe that was at the other table. I thought if west opens 1H this is an interesting hand.

[pclayton]

I can see with my favorite pard:

2♣ - 2♦
3♠ - 4N
5♣ - 5♠
5N - 6♠

--3♠ shows 4♠ and 5+ ♦'s and is GF
--4N is quantitative
--5♣ patterns out (a pass is possible, but AK/AKQ/AK isn't a minimum)
--5♠ is belated support
--5N is a punt. With a 4=0=5=4, 6♣ would be indicated.
--6♠ is a guess; but 6♣ is possible too.

I'll try it with him later to see if this is how it really goes.

[jtfanclub]

Jlall, on Feb 28 2007, 11:28 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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I'll give you a free run with whatever system you like to play and the weak hand as dealer. How would you bid these hands and what would the final contract be?

Hmmm....generic Precision....

P 1♣
1♥ 1♠
2♠ 3♦
3NT 4NT
5♣ 6♠

But I'm probably peeking too much.

[Apollo81]

Jlall, on Feb 28 2007, 12:28 PM, said:

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: IMP

♠ AKxx ♥ x ♦ AKQxx ♣ AKx ♠ QTx ♥ Axxxx ♦ x ♣ Q9xx

I'll give you a free run with whatever system you like to play and the weak hand as dealer. How would you bid these hands and what would the final contract be?

2/1:

2♣-2♦*
3♦-3♥
3♠-4NT
5♦**-6♠

*waiting
**1/4

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

4NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Apollo81]

I think the hand is actually harder to bid in Precision:

1♣-1♥
1♠-2♠
3♦-3♠
4NT-5♦*
5♥-5♠**
6♠-pass

*1/4
**no ♠Q

The 5♠ bid is the tough one here...but I think it is justified by the fact that the fit is one fewer card than expected and the hand is generally a misfit.

[Apollo81]

TOSR

1♣(1)-1NT(2)
2♣(3)-2♦(4)
2♥(5)-3♦(6)
3♠(7)-3NT(8)
6♠

1 strong artificial
2 4+♥, GF, 2+ controls
3 general ask
4 4+♣
5 general ask
6 3514
7 asking about spades
8 Qxx or better, minimum HCP

[inquiry]

Apollo81, on Feb 28 2007, 12:53 PM, said:

2♣-2♦*
3♦-3♥
3♠-4NT
5♦**-6♠

*waiting
**1/4

I don't like 3♠ over 3♥. because with you holding the ♣AK if partner doesn't have the club Queen to legnth, you probalby just missed you best spot of 3NT. I think over 3♥ with these clbus/spades you really hve to rebid notrump.

[Apollo81]

inquiry, on Feb 28 2007, 02:18 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Feb 28 2007, 12:53 PM, said:

2♣-2♦*
3♦-3♥
3♠-4NT
5♦**-6♠

*waiting
**1/4

I don't like 3♠ over 3♥. because with you holding the ♣AK if partner doesn't have the club Queen to legnth, you probalby just missed you best spot of 3NT. I think over 3♥ with these clbus/spades you really hve to rebid notrump.

just suggesting a way to get there

3NT is probably the better bid

[EricK]

I will use officeglen's system from the other thread.

(P) 3NT
All Pass

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Feb 28 2007, 12:27 PM, said:

I can see with my favorite pard:

2♣ - 2♦
3♠ - 4N
5♣ - 5♠
5N - 6♠

--3♠ shows 4♠ and 5+ ♦'s and is GF
--4N is quantitative
--5♣ patterns out (a pass is possible, but AK/AKQ/AK isn't a minimum)
--5♠ is belated support
--5N is a punt. With a 4=0=5=4, 6♣ would be indicated.
--6♠ is a guess; but 6♣ is possible too.

I'll try it with him later to see if this is how it really goes.

I am beginning to think I like this method of 3♥ and 3♠ being 4-Long in bid major and diamonds. I think I read somewhere in the forum that 2C-2D-3C allows a 3D relay to ask for 4 card major and responders 3H/3S over 3D is natural and 5+.

Is there a write up on the other aspects of this system on the web somewhere?

[whereagles]

1♣ 1♥
2♦ 2♥
3♦ 3♥
3♠ 3NT
pass

1♣ = nat or any strong hand
2♦ = art, game-forcing
2♥ = art, 5-8 hcp no slam interest
pass = (5-8)+23+misfit = 28-31, not enough for a slam try

[mike777]

Apollo81, on Feb 28 2007, 12:53 PM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 28 2007, 12:28 PM, said:

I'll give you a free run with whatever system you like to play and the weak hand as dealer. How would you bid these hands and what would the final contract be?

2/1:

2♣-2♦*
3♦-3♥
3♠-4NT
5♦**-6♠

*waiting
**1/4

Seems a bit double dummy to me.

As I said I think west opened 1H at other table, really making it tough.

[jchiu]

Playing my favorite system

Pass - 1♣
1♥ - 1♠
2♣ - 2♦
3♦ - 3♠
3NT - 4♣
4NT - 6♠
Pass

1♣ = 16+ HCP any shape
1♥ = 8+ HCP, 2+ control points, 4+♥, may be canape
1♠ = Relay (same with 2♦)
2♣ = 4+♣, unbalanced hand
3♦ = Exactly 3=5=1=4 distribution
3NT = Two control points, now shows that ♥A is the control
4♣ = Denial cuebidding ask
4NT = Something in ♥, ♣, ♠, no second ♥ card
6♠ = Knows the hand as Qxx Axxxx x Qxxx

[Echognome]

Apollo81, on Feb 28 2007, 10:17 AM, said:

TOSR

1♣(1)-1NT(2)
2♣(3)-2♦(4)
2♥(5)-3♦(6)
3♠(7)-3NT(8)
6♠

1 strong artificial
2 4+♥, GF, 2+ controls
3 general ask
4 4+♣
5 general ask
6 3514
7 asking about spades
8 Qxx or better, minimum HCP

Don't you want to ask about clubs? You can ruff 2♦ with the short trump hand, but you don't want to have to ruff a club as well.

Can't responder be:

Qxx AQxxx x xxxx or
Qxx AJxxx x Jxxx

[awm]

Sam and I actually bid to 6♠. Since we play relay methods I gave him the hand that would make all important decisions (I had seen both hands, he had not). Our auction:

Pass - 1♣(1)
1NT(2) - 2♣(3)
2♥(4) - 2NT(5)
3♥(6) - 3♠(7)
4♠(8) - 6♠(9)

(1) 16+ artificial
(2) 5+♥, 5+ hcp, and 2-6 AKQ points
(3) GF Relay
(4) 4♣
(5) Relay, singleton or void in hearts
(6) 3-5-1-4 exactly
(7) Ask values excluding ♥K and ♥Q
(8) 5 AKQ points, which must be ♥A+♠Q+♣Q
(9) To play; could try to find out more but we open most 9-counts with this shape so multiple useful jacks (yielding play for a grand) are very unlikely.

[Winstonm]

p-2c
2d-2s* *1-suiter
3d*-3n** *game force, short diamonds **screw it