[csdenmark]

Frank I think you ought to reconsider the comments in this thread. One of the first ones was by Whereeagles. Another important one is Hotshot I think. They will do good to you I think.

• 1♣, 10-21HcP, 5-4 dist./11-16HcP 4441 dist is a weak feature. Here you are very vulnerable to interference
  
• 1♦, 6+cards is waste of important space
  
• You need hammers

It is a sign you dont trust your own baby falling back to standard over interference. They do so in Viking Precision. So despite they have a very complicated relay structure it is mostly a very simple system to play. Opps. will quickly learn how to force you off track.

[civill]

mike777, on Dec 30 2006, 04:52 PM, said:

fampaaske, on Dec 30 2006, 05:18 AM, said:

Pattern – new ways in bidding

...

Frank Paaskesen (DK)

Take a look at the "Simple Club" listed in the bridge encyclopedia. It also divides the hands up by this pattern but adds a strong club. Much is borrowed from Roman and Neopolitian Club.

Their patterns were not used for opening.
So,Frank's pattern system is very fresh.

[Gerben42]

This system incorporates a novel idea. Unfortunately it is a bad idea.
A good system has as many bids as possible that show known length in a suit. This system is the opposite and just invites competition.

[fampaaske]

Thx for all the inspirational answers.

I have been working intensively on your replies.

I still think the original Pattern is the easiest way to play and remember. I dont want to waste my energy on a lot of specified sequences.

One thing that stroke me was the sensitivity concerning the major suits. So since we have a pattern system, why not work on the answers to the opening.

I will concentrate on the 1C opening - the others are in my view stabile enough.

When a 1C club opening is disturbed by a double:

Just ignore the double except that RDBL shows a balanced hand wtih +10

If the opponents make a natural overcall:

Double show a limited and normally balanced hand 5-10 with AT LEAST 3CARD support for unbid majors

New suit bids shows a more unbalanced with +4carders that tend to bid majors before minors. Without jump this is 1 round force (+9HP) with at least fit for 2suits or a singlesuiter.

Jump bidding is premptive with weak 2 suiters at least 4-4 pattern and 4-9 HCP - the higher the more distributional.

Cuebid shows +10 Balanced and sends the same message as Dbl, just a stronger hand. This bid promises one more bid.

With this reply system, opener will always know of the majors are fitting or not and can act appropriatly.

CU out there

[hrothgar]

fampaaske, on Feb 13 2007, 03:28 PM, said:

If the opponents make a natural overcall:

What makes you believe that the opponents would ever do anything as silly as making a natural overall?

If you ever roll your methods out in a serious match against a good team they're going invest some serious time and effort into designing some nasty little set of methods intended to make your life as miserable as possible. (Think of all the nasty little suction variants that people employ over a strong club opening) Furthermore, your 1♣ is forcing, shapely, and not necessarily strong. The opponents can afford to pass in direct seat with good hands. You'd just handed them ENORMOUS amounts of additional bidding space. In turn, they get to devote all of their direct overcalls for obstructive purposes.

Here's a set of methods that I just pulled out of my butt. I'm not say that this structure would (necessarily) work well. This is simply intended to give you an example of the sort of things that folks are going to be throwing at you

1NT = Any three suiter (4441, 5440)
2♣ = Weak Jump shift in Clubs, Diamonds or Hearts
2♦ = 4+ Diamonds and 4+ cards in either major
2♥ = 4+ Hearts and 4+ Spades
2♠ = Natural
2N = 5+/5+ with both minors or both majors
3♣ = 5+ Clubs and 5+ Cards in either major
3♦+ = 5+ Diamonds and 5+ cards in either major

[fampaaske]

hi hrothgar

1C is NOT forcing. The system has the "C opening, which is the same pattern but forcing. Responder is welcome to pass with a stack of clubs.
Sure you can invent defensive vicious methods. They would also hurt a strong club system and even a natural 1C. In fact all systems. Still most af your bids show a natural suit.

What makes you think you can enter the auction without getting punished ?

The problem is you could be severely punished here if the hands dont fit. What if you hit declarers suit and he can pass partners D. ?

The passing strategi with stronger hands can also be dangerous. this means you are not able to bid a normal 1NT 15-17. Are you sure this is sound practice. ?

The basic thing is :
You are convinced that the 2-suited 1C opening is more sensitive than a natural 1club opening!

I obviously disagree and think this needs to be proved! :-)))

[hrothgar]

fampaaske, on Feb 13 2007, 04:59 PM, said:

>What makes you think you can enter the auction without getting punished ?
>
>The problem is you could be severely punished here if the hands dont fit.
>What if you hit declarers suit and he can pass partners D. ?

I'm not claiming that I won't (occasionally) run into a buzz saw. ***** happens.

I do, however, believe that your 1♣ is going to be much more vulnerable to preemption than standard methods and that (by and large) burning a buch of bidding space is the best way to deal with this type of system. You haven't shown your suits and you haven't clarifed range. I'm going to do everything that I can to make sure that you don't get a chance to start doing lower than the three level.

As you note, most of the bids that I suggested are "natural" in that they promise length in the suit that I bid. This is concious and deliberate. I've (typically) prefer to make natural bids not out of any bizarre attachment to simple/natural bidding... Rather I believe that natural type preempts place a lot more pressure on the opponents. LHO needs to immediately start clarifying his hand type for fear that my partner might pass.

>The passing strategy with stronger hands can also be dangerous.
>This means you are not able to bid a normal 1NT 15-17. Are you sure this is
>sound practice. ?

Why would I want to bid an immediate 1NT with no knowledge about the suits you are showing or the stoppers that my partnership needs. I'll note in passing that I still haven't defined a meaning for

Pass
Double
1♦
1♥
1♠

I suspect that I can set up a pretty reasonable constructive system using nothing more than those 5 bids. Hell, worst comes to worst, I can play MOSCITO as my overcall system...

[jtfanclub]

fampaaske, on Dec 30 2006, 05:18 AM, said:

1C 2-suited (10-21) or 3-suited (11-16)
1D One suited +10
1H Balanced +18 or 3-suited (17-22)
1S Balanced 12-14
1NT Balanced 15-17
2C Forcing with 2 suited pattern – answers basically as to the opening 1C

The other 2-openers are free of choice. 2NT is open for business.

I'm curious why this is superior to, say....
1C: 18+ any shape.
1D: Any two-suiter 11-17
1H: Any 3 suiter (11-17) without 4+ spades OR Balanced 15-17 without 4+ spades.
1S: Any 3 suiter (11-17) with 4+ spades OR Balanced 15-17 with 4+ spades.
1NT: Balanced 12-14.
2C...2S. Natural, 6+ cards in suit. 11-17

5431 is 3-suited*. 5422 is balanced.

Doesn't this serve the same balanced/1-suited/2-suited/3-suited purpose?
What does it have trouble with that the existing system doesn't have problems with?

*although I'm tempted to make the hand with 3 spades and 1 heart two-suited for the minors, and with 3 spades and 4+ hearts 'balanced'.

[fampaaske]

Hi Jtfanclub

If you want me to judge the from "pattern" viewpoint, i can say that:

+18 any shape looks like just a strong clubber. Well I have played strong club (Carrot Club) for many years and loved it very much. But this is clearly "off pattern". The other openings are more pattern, I think I would have preferred to open 1NT with 15-17 and mix the 3suited with 12-14 bal.

1D 11-17 2suited seems ok - But perhaps your should lower 1C to 17 unbal, and make this 11-16. Maybe you need space to describe the hands, but its limited så it might work.

The 2 openings are fairly broad, the would also be more stabile with 11-16.

Kind regards