[flytoox]

Playing Precision and 2c over 1D 100% gf, you hold:
S:X
H:QTXX
D:AKT9XX
C:QX

YOU PD
1D 2C
2D 3D
??

(1) What do you bid after pd's 3D?
(2) If you bid 3H and pd bid 3N, do you pass or not?
(3) After pd's 3D, what should 4C and 5D show?

[HeartA]

(1) 3H
(2) Pass. If you feel aggressive, bid 4C (see below).
(3) some honors in pd's suit.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

your given problem has nothing to do
with precision, you could also ask the
same question in a 2/1 game force
context.

1) 3H looking for 3NT, partner already
denied a 4 card heart suit, unless
2H would be an artificial relay
Your only other option is 4S,
a slinter, which may well be best,
since you know, that you have at
best 4 spades in the combined hands
2) of course, thats why I bid 3H
3) 4C => cue
5D => nothing worth while to tell,
min. opener
4H => splinter
4S => splinter

With kind regards
Marlowe

[zasanya]

P_Marlowe, on Dec 5 2006, 07:12 AM, said:

your given problem has nothing to do
with precision, you could also ask the
same question in a 2/1 game force
context.

Playing precision responder already knows that opener cannot have 16 points.Since you have not jumped he also knows that you are probably not in 14-15 range.Moreover if playing 13-15 NT responder also knows after 2♦ that you have an unbalanced hand.These inferences are not available playing 2/1.
(a) 3♥ looking for 3 NT.
(b ) pass
(c ) 4♣ should mean most /all points in minors so no desire to play NT.but interested in ♦ game/slam
5♦ should mean no desire for a slam but he could very well bid 4♣ to keep bidding space for responder even with a weak hand.

[P_Marlowe]

zasanya, on Dec 5 2006, 08:52 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Dec 5 2006, 07:12 AM, said:

your given problem has nothing to do
with precision, you could also ask the
same question in a 2/1 game force
context.

Playing precision responder already knows that opener cannot have 16 points.Since you have not jumped he also knows that you are probably not in 14-15 range.Moreover if playing 13-15 NT responder also knows after 2♦ that you have an unbalanced hand.These inferences are not available playing 2/1.
(a) 3♥ looking for 3 NT.
(b ) pass
(c ) 4♣ should mean most /all points in minors so no desire to play NT.but interested in ♦ game/slam
5♦ should mean no desire for a slam but he could very well bid 4♣ to keep bidding space for responder even with a weak hand.

Hi,

of course you are right, ... up to a point.
Responder has more information, but we look
at the problem from openers side.

The given seq. may also occur playing 2/1
game force and the meaning of the different
answers do not change very significantly.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Robert]

Hi everyone

I agree with the post that says that playing Precision limited the opening bid to
11-15HCP, this eliminates a number of possible 2/1 auctions.

I play a game forcing 2NT over 1D openings in my Big Club(modified Precision?) auction. This makes the 2C bid either a real suit or hints at a flaw for NT play.

I suspect that I would be moving towards a minor game/slam because of just using my bidding methods.

Playing more standard Precision methods(1D-2NT limit and 1D-2C GF) I might pass 3NT. Depends a lot on choice of my partner and our bidding style. With most decent partners, I think that avoiding 3NT might be best.

My partners tend to bid 3NT on most hands where that game is a possible choice. Bidding 2C and raising diamonds suggests either higher ambitions or that 3NT might not be a good contract.

Regards,
Robert

[awm]

I'd bid 3♥ and then pass 3NT. This is a pretty poor hand for the most part. What's partner looking for in this auction? There are a couple of possibilities:

(1) Partner wants to avoid 3NT if opener is weak in some major. By bidding 3♥ we've shown heart values, which could reassure partner holding something like:

KQx
xx
Qxx
AKxxx

(2) Partner wants to look for slam opposite a suitable hand. This suitable hand typically involves prime values and/or nothing wasted opposite partner's shortness. A dead minimum 11 with two side queens isn't exactly prime values. Partner might have:

KQx
x
Qxxx
AKxxx

Five or six diamonds to the AK and a side ace (well within range for a 1♦ opening) makes slam basically laydown. Opposite our actual hand 3NT is okay (5♦ slightly better at IMP scoring).

[the hog]

HeatA has got it right. 3H and then pass 3NT.
The 4C bid you ask about should show a hand with A of H and one more C than you actually have. With that holding you have a good try for slam.