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itz yer bid and you're not playing misiry

Poll: what do you bid after partner bids 3 spades (28 member(s) have cast votes)

what do you bid after partner bids 3 spades

  1. pass (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. 3NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 4C (5 votes [17.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.86%

  4. 4D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 4H (2 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  6. 4S (13 votes [46.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.43%

  7. 4N (8 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  8. other/ please specify (0 votes [0.00%])

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Posted 2006-June-03, 17:09

You hold the following:

♠ AJT43
♥ A
♦ AK9876
♣ 8


The bidding is as follows
3 passes to you
you open 1 diamond, lho passes, partner responds 1 heart, rho passes
you rebid 1 spade, lho bids 2 clubs, partner bids 2 hearts, rho passes,
you bid 2 spades, lho passes, partner bids 3 spades, rho passes.

What is your next bid?

(Not that I feel it matters much, but the scoring format is imp pairs.)
Additional Info: you are playing 2/1 GF except for suit rebid, and jump-shift responses to 1m would be a fit raise by a passed hand, not a WJS.

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Posted 2006-June-03, 17:17

Double !, on Jun 4 2006, 02:09 AM, said:

You hold the following:

♠  AJT43
♥    A 
♦ AK9876
♣  8


The bidding is as follows
3 passes to you
you open 1 diamond, lho passes, partner responds 1 heart, rho passes
you rebid 1 spade, lho bids 2 clubs,  partner bids 2 hearts, rho passes,
you bid 2 spades, lho passes, partner bids 3 spades, rho passes.

What is your next bid?

(Not that I feel it matters much, but the scoring format is imp pairs.)
Additional Info: you are playing 2/1 GF except for suit rebid, and jump-shift responses to 1m would be a fit raise by a passed hand, not a WJS.

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Why didn't I rebid 2♠ over 1♥?
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Posted 2006-June-03, 17:22

4clubs

Tough hand, we have shown a 6-5 hand and partner can only invite with 3S. Partner has made a free rebid of 2h so I am concerned we have wasted heart values. I think with KQx of spades and nothing partner would have jumped to 4S so.....

If partner rebids 4H I will sign off in 4S and may miss slam.

edit: yes 2s would have been a better start than 1S.
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Posted 2006-June-03, 17:32

Because the partnership has the agreement that the 1 spade rebid is forcing one round, because this way I give partner more time and room to show whatever support she might have for either of my two suits which will sound like a 5-6 hand while the bidding is still below the 3NT level, and because my power isn't totally concentrated in my two suits. Why do I want to rush without some indication of where this hand is going?
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Posted 2006-June-03, 21:05

i'd bid 4nt :P if 5♣ showing 1 or 4, i'd bid 5♦ asking about the queen... if 5♦, i'd just sign off (maybe too high, yeah)... this assumes the spade support is 3 cards
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Posted 2006-June-05, 09:11

I'm not sure this hand is worth more than one try, but the trouble is I can't get a useful information from partner. What I need are good trumps honours and either a shortage in diamonds or the Q of diamonds.

Lets give partner some probable hands:

KQx
Kxxxxx
Qx
xx

No, he can't have this hand, he'd have bid something more than 2♥

All things considered, for slam to be good, partner has to have the perfect hand to make slam, and I can't see it happening. Therefore I bid 4♠ and be done with it.
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Posted 2006-June-05, 09:32

I bid a simple 4♠. Slam is possible, but I don't mind missing it. 4♠ might not be a cakewalk as I get tapped with the long spade hand.
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Posted 2006-June-05, 09:52

I'm surprised that 2♠ wasn't tabled after 1♥. I like the potential of this hand.

As the auction went, I don't think you can entertain slam.
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Posted 2006-June-05, 10:24

hand is worth one slam try on way to 4♠. If 3NT is serious, ok bid that. If not, cue-bid 4♣. Of course, it is too late for misiry after you open 1♦ (misiry would start 3♦) so the restriction is not necessary.

Speaking of Misiry, I kibitzed this hand among world class players recently.... maybe some of you saw it too, there was several 100 kibitzers at the tables. The full hand was:
Scoring: Chicago

World Class NS,

1♦   (1♥)  Pass  (1♠)
4NT  (pass)  5♣   (DBL)
5♦--passed around and doubled.


Only 4 out of 16 pairs reached 4♠ (yes, 4♠ will make). I suspect if south starts 3♦ as ♥ preempt or strong two suiter with diamonds and without ♥, NS will find 4♠ even if west bids hearts along the way. Likely auctions.. 3D-(3H)-P-(4H)-4S, and 3D-(P)-3/4H-(P); 4S- all pass. Misiry isn't fail-proof, and it might not have helped on the current problem hand, but it is fun. This is the second example I found where if you don't open Misiry, they bid your best fitting suit before you get a chance.
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