[Winstonm]

Scoring: IMP

Partner opens 1C in first seat and East overcalls 2H.

1C-2H-?

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What will you do now? Double? Bid 3D? Pass? Bid 3C? Bid 3H? Seems about the only 2 calls available that don't endplay partner into a forced 3N are double and 3C. And do you really want to force partner to bid 3N on Kx of hearts?

[000002]

x then 3♦
the reason is that overcall 3♦ directly is game forcing

[MickyB]

3♦. Maybe partner has Ax in ♥ and we just right-sided 3NT.

[Kalvan14]

Jlall, on Jan 16 2006, 09:57 AM, said:

3D, and yes I very much hope I endplay partner into 3N. Where else would I want to play with this hand?

My exact feelings. Why should I be afraid if pard bids 3NT?

[mikeh]

horrible hand, and good example of why people play weak jump overcalls.

3♦ is a gross overbid, but I am red at imps and I want partner to play 3N if it is biddable: why should he hold Kx rather than Ax or Kxx (both are good for a tempo) or Axx...?

Of course, when the worst bid one can hear is a raise..... poor partner looking at KQx Jx Axx Kxxxx: bids 4♦... now what??? Is this passable... ie should he always bid 3♥ (or splinter with 4♥) with gf raises, pulling 3N to 4♦ with a big hand?

I bet that in the BW MSC, double would get the most votes, but I really don't like it.

So I make the gross overbid: 3♦

BTW, a great advertisement for playing weak 1N in 1st and 2nd red: I do in one partnership, and it would be a relief to know that partner was not 11-14 balanced Whereas I suspect he is and I hate it.

[tysen2k]

I also choose 3♦. It's not too much of an overbid unless partner opens light. Although if partner opens light, I should be using NFB and the correct bid for that is probably 3♦ too, although I'd like a better suit.

Tysen

[000002]

mikeh, on Jan 16 2006, 07:41 PM, said:

horrible hand, and good example of why people play weak jump overcalls.

3♦ is a gross overbid, but I am red at imps and I want partner to play 3N if it is biddable: why should he hold Kx rather than Ax or Kxx (both are good for a tempo) or Axx...?

Of course, when the worst bid one can hear is a raise..... poor partner looking at KQx Jx Axx Kxxxx: bids 4♦... now what??? Is this passable... ie should he always bid 3♥ (or splinter with 4♥) with gf raises, pulling 3N to 4♦ with a big hand?

I bet that in the BW MSC, double would get the most votes, but I really don't like it.

So I make the gross overbid: 3♦

BTW, a great advertisement for playing weak 1N in 1st and 2nd red: I do in one partnership, and it would be a relief to know that partner was not 11-14 balanced Whereas I suspect he is and I hate it.

hi , could you tell me what is <BW MSC> meaning?
thanks

[MickyB]

mikeh, on Jan 17 2006, 12:41 AM, said:

BTW, a great advertisement for playing weak 1N in 1st and 2nd red: I do in one partnership, and it would be a relief to know that partner was not 11-14 balanced Whereas I suspect he is and I hate it.

I'd rather he could have a weak NT this time, and not have to wonder if he has a strong NT when I am dealt a similar hand two or three points weaker...

[mikeh]

000002, on Jan 16 2006, 08:54 PM, said:

hi , could you tell me what is <BW MSC> meaning?
thanks

The Master Solvers Club in the Bridge World: a great forum for bidding issues

[Winstonm]

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Time for the rest of the story - this was partner's hand and 8 tricks at NT is the maximum. At the table, I made a negative doulbe, not liking it a lot but liking 3D even less, and LHO raised to 3H and passed back to me - it sounded to me as if partner was most likely to hold a 3235 pattern with 12-ish and we didn't rate to have game our way so I elected to simply pass and try to go plus. Turns out we lost a couple of imps as our partners defended 3N for plus 100.

In retrospect, I really think the best bid on this hand is the 3 club underbid - this is most likely to get partner excited with the right hand and as Eddie Kantar used to preach to Billy Eisenberg, "When they preempt I don't have short clubs!".

[000002]

thank mikeh, could you tell me the <http> of Master Solvers Club in the Bridge World?ty

winstonm, i think we will sign off 3♣ when you raise 3♣ by underbid, unless opps help us.

[Winstonm]

Jlall, on Jan 17 2006, 10:05 AM, said:

Seems like you would be defending 3H if partners spade queen was the king as well.

True - but with Kxx, Kx, xxx, AKxxx there are still only 8 tricks and now 3H doesn't make.

Winston

[mike777]

Winstonm, on Jan 17 2006, 02:10 AM, said:

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Time for the rest of the story - this was partner's hand and 8 tricks at NT is the maximum. At the table, I made a negative doulbe, not liking it a lot but liking 3D even less, and LHO raised to 3H and passed back to me - it sounded to me as if partner was most likely to hold a 3235 pattern with 12-ish and we didn't rate to have game our way so I elected to simply pass and try to go plus. Turns out we lost a couple of imps as our partners defended 3N for plus 100.

In retrospect, I really think the best bid on this hand is the 3 club underbid - this is most likely to get partner excited with the right hand and as Eddie Kantar used to preach to Billy Eisenberg, "When they preempt I don't have short clubs!".

Pass, why bid if partner opens lightish.
3H if partner opens sound.

[Winstonm]

Jlall, on Jan 17 2006, 12:21 PM, said:

Winstonm, on Jan 17 2006, 11:54 AM, said:

True - but with Kxx, Kx, xxx, AKxxx there are still only 8 tricks and now 3H doesn't make. 

Winston

it doesnt? We get 2 clubs a spade and a heart.

2S, 2C, and a heart

[cherdano]

000002, on Jan 17 2006, 02:40 PM, said:

thank mikeh, could you tell me the <http> of Master Solvers Club in the Bridge World?ty

The Bridge World is a print magazine, you have to subscribe to it. It's well worth it, it is THE bridge magazine on this planet. I learned a lot from reading it, and half only been doing so for less than a year. There is still a special offer in the lobby news of BBO, I think. On their website, they have only a couple of samplers. (www.bridgeworld.com)

[000002]

cherdano, on Jan 17 2006, 02:25 PM, said:

000002, on Jan 17 2006, 02:40 PM, said:

thank mikeh, could you tell me the <http> of Master Solvers Club in the Bridge World?ty

The Bridge World is a print magazine, you have to subscribe to it. It's well worth it, it is THE bridge magazine on this planet. I learned a lot from reading it, and half only been doing so for less than a year. There is still a special offer in the lobby news of BBO, I think. On their website, they have only a couple of samplers. (www.bridgeworld.com)

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