[pclayton]

Scoring: IMP

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East passes as do you. 1♦ on left, 2♣ by pard, pass on your right.

Your call?

[han]

I vote for 2H, this shouldn't get us into too much trouble and hearts is our most likely game.


Are Rubens advances not standard yet?

[mike777]

2H

New Year's resolution, no more missing vul games at imps.

[awm]

I voted for 2♥, but it really depends on who partner is. Playing with Elianna I'd pass, because I've seen the junk she overcalls 2♣ over 1♦ with. But opposite most players (including someone who bids like me) I think 2♥ is in order.

[joker_gib]

2♥ lets all options open and I have JT in ♣

[Kalvan14]

2♥ - a minimum, but some tolerance for clubs

[pclayton]

I bid 2♥ as well, which I thought was 100%. I had a kibitzer mention that he thought I should pass, but he was looking at partner's crud: ♠xx ♥Tx ♦AQJx ♣A97xx, and he admitted he was biased.

So I guess this was just a reality check of sorts

[mike777]

pclayton, on Dec 27 2005, 10:38 AM, said:

I bid 2♥ as well, which I thought was 100%. I had a kibitzer mention that he thought I should pass, but he was looking at partner's crud: ♠xx ♥Tx ♦AQJx ♣A97xx, and he admitted he was biased.

So I guess this was just a reality check of sorts

Granted I see these types of 2club overcalls all the time on BBO. Is this really a standard overcall in this situation?

[pbleighton]

"Granted I see these types of 2club overcalls all the time on BBO. Is this really a standard overcall in this situation?"

I don't know if there is a "BBO Standard" for anything.

That said, I would pass when vul (as in this hand), but bid 2C when not.

Peter

[dogsbreath]

hi
i bid 3C because partner cant have crud like that for a 2-level overcall .. the casino is next door

Rgds DOG

[pbleighton]

"...the casino is next door"

No, it's right here

Peter

[Chamaco]

I bid 2H as well.

BTW, with my pard we respond to pard's 2C overcall as if hehad opened a Precision 2C (e.g. 2M inv Nonforcing, 2D Staymanic relay).
Any opinion on this ?

[pbleighton]

"BTW, with my pard we respond to pard's 2C overcall as if hehad opened a Precision 2C (e.g. 2M inv Nonforcing, 2D Staymanic relay).
Any opinion on this ?"

Interesting. How does it work for you? How do you show a good hand with a 5cM?

Peter

[microcap]

Is there a good online description of Rubens advance or transfer advances? I run into this situation frequently-- a hand worth saying something, but no real fit for partner.

[Robert]

Hi everyone

Assuming partner is cold sober, 2H is automatic.

If partner bids on crud, pass is in order. The conditions were listed as IMPs.

Note to self, find another partner ASAP 'if' they overcall 2Cs on crud.

Rubens advances are not standard.

I do think that playing Precision type 2C methods is possible but not the best

method to respond to a 2C overcall at IMPs.

A 2C overcall should have slightly better values than a Precision type 2C opening

as a minimum and something like a King more as a possible top holding.

I play a Big Club system with a 2C Precision type(promises 6+ Cs) opening.

Regards,
Robert

[Kalvan14]

pbleighton, on Dec 27 2005, 03:44 PM, said:

"BTW, with my pard we respond to pard's 2C overcall as if hehad opened a Precision 2C (e.g. 2M inv Nonforcing, 2D Staymanic relay).
Any opinion on this ?"

Interesting. How does it work for you? How do you show a good hand with a 5cM?

Peter

Probably bidding 2♦, and then the 5cM (forcing). It is an interesting approach, though

[pclayton]

Robert, on Dec 27 2005, 01:45 PM, said:

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Note to self, find another partner ASAP 'if' they overcall 2Cs on crud.

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Oh I won't be dumping this pard anythime soon. We've played on here since almost the beginning of BBO. He has his good days and bad days (who doesn't).

I agree - this overcall flat sucks.

[Rebound]

pbleighton, on Dec 27 2005, 04:44 PM, said:

"BTW, with my pard we respond to pard's 2C overcall as if hehad opened a Precision 2C (e.g. 2M inv Nonforcing, 2D Staymanic relay).
Any opinion on this ?"

Interesting. How does it work for you? How do you show a good hand with a 5cM?

Peter

I love this idea, thanks.

[Rebound]

Robert, on Dec 27 2005, 05:45 PM, said:

Assuming partner is cold sober, 2H is automatic.
<snip>
I do think that playing Precision type 2C methods is possible but not the best

method to respond to a 2C overcall at IMPs.

A 2C overcall should have slightly better values than a Precision type 2C opening

as a minimum and something like a King more as a possible top holding.

I play a Big Club system with a 2C Precision type(promises 6+ Cs) opening.

Regards,
Robert

FWIW I'm no expert, as I have said before, but I disagree. 2♣ has an advantage over 1♦ in as much as it preempts the entire 1-level. I don't think any more strength is required than for a precision 2♣ opening. In fact, my only problem with such a treatment is that a 2♣ overcall of 1♦ may turn out to be weaker than a typical 2♣ opening in precision. I would be quite happy to overcall 1♦ with x xxx QJx AKxxxx. That's just an example hand, and it may be that you would open a precision 2♣ with this, but I would not.