[adhoc3]

Assume IMP game, non vulnerable.

[Fluffy]

I wouldlove that allmy problems were like these one

[Gerben42]

I have 15 HCP and a balanced hand, must be a trick question. 1NT

[joker_gib]

1NT what else ?

Alain

[P_Marlowe]

1NT, wtp ?

If you were 4-4 in the mayors I could
see the merit 1C / 1D, altough you will be
hard pressed, to sell the 15HCP in later rounds
to partner.

Marlowe

[adhoc3]

I opened 1NT too, PD jumped to 3NT with 9 hcps and balanced hand 754 K54 QJ63 QJ6, I won't complain about that. 8 trick was collected. Afterward, when I checked traveller, I found out 75% players played some contract down, 1NT, 2NT, 3NT, 3C, -1, -2, -3. For the other 25%, three of them opened the hand with 1♣, another opened 1NT but pd invited with 2NT. These 3 wining dealer seems get right pace. I recalled that old book told us don't open 1NT when has not stopper in 2 suits. It looks quite right for this hand.

However, the forum is so coincident on the choice of 1NT opening, 94.59%! I wonder if this had happened before:)

We love this game.


For whom is interested with the traveller:
http://online.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands...username=adhoc3

[P_Marlowe]

adhoc3, on Nov 28 2005, 07:47 AM, said:

I opened 1NT too, PD jumped to 3NT with 9 hcps and balanced hand 754 K54 QJ63 QJ6, I won't complain about that. 8 trick was collected. Afterward, when I checked traveller, I found out 75% players played some contract down, 1NT, 2NT, 3NT, 3C, -1, -2, -3. They all opened 1NT. For the other 25%, three of them opened the hand with 1♣, another opened 1NT but pd invited with 2NT. These 3 wining dealer seems get right pace. I recalled that old book told us don't open 1NT when has not stopper in 2 suits. It looks quite right for this hand.

However, the forum is so coincident on the choice of 1NT opening, 94.59%! I wonder if this had happened before

We love this game.


For whom is interested on the traveller:
http://online.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands...username=adhoc3

I think, given his hand, 2NT from your partner would be enough.

Marlowe

[joker_gib]

Even at imps this (754 K54 QJ63 QJ6) hand is just invitational !

Alain

[hrothgar]

As usual, looks like I'm the outlier (I was the sole person voting for a 1♠ opening)
I don't have a problem with the shape or the fact that two suits are wide open. Rather, the hand looks a hair too weak for me to feel comfortable opening a 15-17 NT.

Once I decided NOT to open 1NT, I prefer 1♠ on a chunky 4 card suit to opening 1♣ on xxx

[mikestar]

I must admit I would open 1NT at the table, but I see a lot of merit in downgrading to 14 and opening 1♠ as Richard suggests. The 4333 shape and two suits wide open are negaitve factors.

It is even more clear that partner is not worth 3NT opposite 15-17. While a 24 point game 15 opposite 9 might be right, it really needs to be a good 9 and this is a bad 9: 4333 shape and no 10s or 9s.

As an aside, I think 3NT on 24 is generally not a good idea after a strong NT. After a weak NT it is a different matter: two average 12 counts often have a good play, and 13-11 isn't bad.

[Fluffy]

Before today, I had only heard about non stopping suits as a reason not to open or rebid NT from beginners and very old people.

[Robert]

Hello everyone

Partner 'pushed' on this hand. Just inviting would be plenty with this Quacky 9HCP and 4333 shape.

If partner bids to 2NT, you certainly will pass and make 8 tricks.

Seems to be a par result 'if' good bidding follows an opening 1NT bid.

Regards,
Robert

[Kalvan14]

Yeah, it is quite clear cut. The responsibility for the bad result does not come from opening 1N. 9 HCP might be ok for 3N if you have a 5-card suit, and some intermediates. Not with the given hand

[bearmum]

1NT WTP?

[EricK]

Note that the fact that two suits were unstopped was irrelevant to the result on this hand.

Quite the opposite, in fact. if you give responder the ♠Q and opener the ♣Q but keep both hand shapes the same, so that opener has one suit unstopped, then 3NT plays even worse than on the actual hands. Similarly swap the ♥Q and the ♦Q so that opener has stops or partial stops in each suit, and 3NT gets even worse.

Eric

[Winstonm]

This hand is somewhat like the Roman soldier falling upon his sword - the results of this one hand make little difference in the overall scheme of things, but you must sacrifice this hand (if using 5-card majors) and open 1N in order to keep the empire and the rest of your bidding in order. The only other acceptable solution is to downgrade because of poor shape and open 1C - but even then if you play a 1-spade rebid as unbalanced you'd have to rebid 1N. So if you are going to be stuck bidding NT no matter what, why not just open 1N and take the more aggressive stance with such good controls?

Winston

[Al_U_Card]

Kind of a non-issue. Pard was way too agressive with his NV mish-mash. If your range is 15-17 and you are balanced, don't lie.