[manudude03]

Board 14 of round J20 in the Junior Europeans was rather spectacular. Partner has shown very little in values (0-4 with 0 controls) and at least 3 card support. What do you think here?

IMPs scoring btw.

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[ggwhiz]

I'm feelin lucky and I am a punk. Is some grand not unanimous in a junior field?

[helene_t]

if p has denied a control, can I ask for queens now and for jacks afterwards?

[Fluffy]

a friend told me about this hand, and I found it familiar!

why? well its almost the same example my father envisioned in his geometry card play problem as an example of a common trump play coup...

link to my page

Spoiler

If the told me the right thing, dummy had ♠Jxx ♣xxx, well thanks to the famous coup even with this dummy grand is above 5-% to make

[Fluffy]

On this hand I would never doubt it, the math is very simple, if you don't have a trump loser you are above average in 7 spades since every club length is good, even the worse (3 small without the 10) is above average to provide no loser.

Yes there could be a trump loser, but partner could just as well have 4 trumps making grand almost cold.

[MrAce]

Fluffy, on 2013-July-20, 15:50, said:

On this hand I would never doubt it, the math is very simple, if you don't have a trump loser you are above average in 7 spades since every club length is good, even the worse (3 small without the 10) is above average to provide no loser.

Yes there could be a trump loser, but partner could just as well have 4 trumps making grand almost cold.

Or pd may be 3253 which gives a little more edge. But i am sure in junior EC this shows 4 trumps. With 3 they can bid either 2NT then 4♠ or 2nd negative over3♠ and then 4♠ etc.

[gszes]

there are many ways to make 7s but there are a few more to make
7c so I will bid 7c and give p a choice. I realize this makes the defense
easier when p prefers spades (and has only 3) but overall I prefer to
be in the safest spot at the 7 level.

[akwoo]

Just a thought:

What about 5N pick-a-slam? Would 6H from partner show 5 hearts, in which case 7H is probably the best grand?

[Free]

I'm feeling lucky for 7♠.

[wank]

anyone who's not feeling lucky here needs to grow a pair

[Siegmund]

I've seen one 31-HCP hand in my life. It was in a matchpoint game, and 2210 was a bottom and 2220 was a top.

I admire the inventiveness of the jump to 7C, but I think "everybody" is just bidding 7S.

[benlessard]

Here bidding 4Nt is a specific Q ask+J later and bidding 5D should ask if partner for club doubleton. When he return to 5S ill make another move and hopefully he will play me for AKQx in clubs.

I think its a normal agreement to have that when you denied AK and singleton you play your usual methods but for QJ/doubleton.

This is the simpler way I know to handle AKxx,AKx,Axx (and sometimes Axxxx) with no other losers elsewhere.

[manudude03]

Unfortunately I didn't have any fancy agreements regarding what to do, so I just had to punt it. It was a flat board in most of the juniors section, a but more swingy in the youngsters section.

http://www.eurobridg...ard=014.20..977 (juniors)
http://www.eurobridg...ard=014.18..978 (youngsters)

[the hog]

I would bid 7, however I think 4S is an awful bid and should show at least 4 card in the suit. Have no youth players heard of second negatives?

[Zelandakh]

benlessard, on 2013-July-22, 23:26, said:

Here bidding 4Nt is a specific Q ask+J later

That is one possible agreement. A more logical one would be for 4NT to be asking for the trump queen; 5♣♦♥ to be SSAs; and 5♠ to be asking for the trump jack. Yet another option would be as above except that 5♣ asks for specific queens and 5NT becomes the SSA in clubs. Perhaps the best option is for 5♣ to be a specific queen ask; 5♠ to be the club SSA; and 5NT to ask for the trump jack though. I think any method that does not include 4NT as an ask for the trump queen is being blinkered by the hand we are looking at.

[Cyberyeti]

manudude03, on 2013-July-23, 00:47, said:

Unfortunately I didn't have any fancy agreements regarding what to do, so I just had to punt it. It was a flat board in most of the juniors section, a but more swingy in the youngsters section.

http://www.eurobridg...ard=014.20..977 (juniors)
http://www.eurobridg...ard=014.18..978 (youngsters)

Really fine effort to go off in 7♠ in the youngsters.

[the hog]

akwoo, on 2013-July-20, 21:39, said:

Just a thought:

What about 5N pick-a-slam? Would 6H from partner show 5 hearts, in which case 7H is probably the best grand?

Good post and a very sensible answer.

[Lord Molyb]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-December-02, 06:38, said:

Really fine effort to go off in 7♠ in the youngsters.

maybe it was a revoke?

[helene_t]

I thought of 7♣. Partner might be 3-5 in the black suits. If he is 3-4, a club grand is safe as long as the clubs are 3-2, while a spade grand could go down on a 4-1 split in either suit.

But thinking more about it, I just bid 7♠:
- Partner might think I have longer clubs than spades if I bid 7♣.
- With 4-4 in the blacks he might think that clubs play better.
- In the spade grand, if partner has Jxx of spades plus a red queen, I can survive a 4-1 clubs split.
- If partner corrects to 7♠ (which he most likely does), my 7♣ bid has deterred a club lead. I don't want to do that.
- If both grands make, it probably costs two IMPs to play 7♣.

[EricK]

I bid 7♠. It rates to be a good contract, and, even if it isn't the best contract, in this sort of once-every-few-years scenario, the chance of some sort of misunderstanding if I start exploring, probably more than compensates for the times I manage to find a better grand.