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SA 5533...
You open...NV/V MPs
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
4♣?
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
5♣?
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
4♥?
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
4N?
Your hand...What is the bid?
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#1
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Posted 2013-December-09, 16:37
I will post the full hands later, but for now let's just go off the bidding...
SA 5533...
You open...NV/V MPs
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
4♣?
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
5♣?
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
4♥?
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
4N?
Your hand...What is the bid?
SA 5533...
You open...NV/V MPs
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
4♣?
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
5♣?
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
4♥?
1♦-(3♥)-X-(P)
4N?
Your hand...What is the bid?
♠♥♦♣ The American Swede of BBF...I eat my meatballs with blueberries, okay? ♣♦♥♠
Junior - Always looking for new partners to improve my play with..I have my fair share of brilliancy and blunders.
"Did your mother really marry a Mr Head and name her son Richard?" - jillybean
Junior - Always looking for new partners to improve my play with..I have my fair share of brilliancy and blunders.
"Did your mother really marry a Mr Head and name her son Richard?" - jillybean
#2
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Posted 2013-December-09, 16:54
Sorry, maybe move this to Natural Bidding Discussion if it is a better sub-forum...
♠♥♦♣ The American Swede of BBF...I eat my meatballs with blueberries, okay? ♣♦♥♠
Junior - Always looking for new partners to improve my play with..I have my fair share of brilliancy and blunders.
"Did your mother really marry a Mr Head and name her son Richard?" - jillybean
Junior - Always looking for new partners to improve my play with..I have my fair share of brilliancy and blunders.
"Did your mother really marry a Mr Head and name her son Richard?" - jillybean
#3
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Posted 2013-December-09, 17:19
All club bids by opener are natural. The modern style of a negative double of 3♥ promises spades, but implies nothing about clubs. Opener bids naturally where feasible, so clubs = clubs.
Since the negative double doesn't create a gf, 4♣ is passable, so 5♣ is also passable while showing extras....sufficient to want to force to 5minor, and suggesting pass or correct. Responder can go to slam if he chooses, but needs a big hand and either a heart control or such length as to make it safe to assume that opener has one.
The cuebid is a tough one in the absence of agreement. One thing we'd all agree on is that it is a very good hand.
Does it imply spades? I don't think it does but it doesn't deny them. If opener has spades, he is too strong to bid 4♠ opposite a minimum negative double, so responder can bid 4♠ and count on opener to bid again with or without spades....IOW, opener isn't doing this in order to play in exactly 4♠. However, if responder bids 4♠, opener's minor suit bids are, imo, natural and non-forcing (tho very strong).
4N is to me natural: probably 18-19, tho may have a little less and very good and long diamonds. Definitely passable.
Since the negative double doesn't create a gf, 4♣ is passable, so 5♣ is also passable while showing extras....sufficient to want to force to 5minor, and suggesting pass or correct. Responder can go to slam if he chooses, but needs a big hand and either a heart control or such length as to make it safe to assume that opener has one.
The cuebid is a tough one in the absence of agreement. One thing we'd all agree on is that it is a very good hand.
Does it imply spades? I don't think it does but it doesn't deny them. If opener has spades, he is too strong to bid 4♠ opposite a minimum negative double, so responder can bid 4♠ and count on opener to bid again with or without spades....IOW, opener isn't doing this in order to play in exactly 4♠. However, if responder bids 4♠, opener's minor suit bids are, imo, natural and non-forcing (tho very strong).
4N is to me natural: probably 18-19, tho may have a little less and very good and long diamonds. Definitely passable.
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Posted 2013-December-09, 17:50
mikeh, on 2013-December-09, 17:19, said:
All club bids by opener are natural. The modern style of a negative double of 3♥ promises spades, but implies nothing about clubs. Opener bids naturally where feasible, so clubs = clubs.
Since the negative double doesn't create a gf, 4♣ is passable, so 5♣ is also passable while showing extras....sufficient to want to force to 5minor, and suggesting pass or correct. Responder can go to slam if he chooses, but needs a big hand and either a heart control or such length as to make it safe to assume that opener has one.
The cuebid is a tough one in the absence of agreement. One thing we'd all agree on is that it is a very good hand.
Does it imply spades? I don't think it does but it doesn't deny them. If opener has spades, he is too strong to bid 4♠ opposite a minimum negative double, so responder can bid 4♠ and count on opener to bid again with or without spades....IOW, opener isn't doing this in order to play in exactly 4♠. However, if responder bids 4♠, opener's minor suit bids are, imo, natural and non-forcing (tho very strong).
4N is to me natural: probably 18-19, tho may have a little less and very good and long diamonds. Definitely passable.
Since the negative double doesn't create a gf, 4♣ is passable, so 5♣ is also passable while showing extras....sufficient to want to force to 5minor, and suggesting pass or correct. Responder can go to slam if he chooses, but needs a big hand and either a heart control or such length as to make it safe to assume that opener has one.
The cuebid is a tough one in the absence of agreement. One thing we'd all agree on is that it is a very good hand.
Does it imply spades? I don't think it does but it doesn't deny them. If opener has spades, he is too strong to bid 4♠ opposite a minimum negative double, so responder can bid 4♠ and count on opener to bid again with or without spades....IOW, opener isn't doing this in order to play in exactly 4♠. However, if responder bids 4♠, opener's minor suit bids are, imo, natural and non-forcing (tho very strong).
4N is to me natural: probably 18-19, tho may have a little less and very good and long diamonds. Definitely passable.
Agree with all of this except 4N which to me is 4♣ and 6 diamonds, with 18-19 I cue, but this is all a matter of agreement.
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