[whereagles]

Look guys, the right to complain is a right everyone is endowed with. A person has every right to disagree and voice his disagreement. It's called "freedom of speech".

[Al_U_Card]

Rather a privilege that is earned once you have contributed to the effort. If you can't put up, shut up. It keeps the hard working people from getting things done.

[whereagles]

To disagree as privilege exclusive to those who contribute? Wishful thinking, that's what it is.

Get real. Or, should I say, get used.

[Al_U_Card]

Personal preference perhaps but you can disagree with your feet, you only complain with your mouth.

[luke warm]

whereagles, on Sep 9 2005, 03:42 PM, said:

To disagree as privilege exclusive to those who contribute? Wishful thinking, that's what it is.

Get real. Or, should I say, get used.

there's a big difference between disagreeing and complaining... if, for example, you thought you could do a better job why not offer your services? if elianna was getting swamped and if doing even more would result in her not being able to do anything at all, offer to help

anyone can complain... we had a rule when a bunch of us would go fishing at a camp on a bay near my house... the first to complain about the food had to cook... that cut *way* down on complaints

[Elianna]

luke warm, on Sep 9 2005, 04:25 PM, said:

whereagles, on Sep 9 2005, 03:42 PM, said:

To disagree as privilege exclusive to those who contribute? Wishful thinking, that's what it is.

Get real. Or, should I say, get used.

there's a big difference between disagreeing and complaining... if, for example, you thought you could do a better job why not offer your services? if elianna was getting swamped and if doing even more would result in her not being able to do anything at all, offer to help

Thank you for the support, but I just want to correct one thing: I didn't quit because I was feeling swamped by the work. In fact, as Adam was saying, I was already doing what some people wanted, I just wasn't posting in the format that they wanted. And that wasn't because of the work involved, but because I'd like to respect the privacy of people who enter into a contest.

As others have said, they don't view this as a contest, they view it as a poll. That's fine, but that's not the type of thing I thought that I was getting involved in, and so I decided to retire.

Getting feedback from people complaining that they didn't know what I did, and refused to follow links to see what I did, was just something that reinforced my belief that this wasn't for me.

I guess, like most people, I just don't like to feel abused. If people feel it's their right to abuse me, fine, but I feel that it's my right not to take it.

[ABadPlayer]

Elianna, on Sep 9 2005, 06:42 PM, said:

I guess, like most people, I just don't like to feel abused. If people feel it's their right to abuse me, fine, but I feel that it's my right not to take it.

Rock on wit yo bad self! W00t!

[Walddk]

Bidding contests/polls are there for people to exhange views about different approaches to difficult problems. Never mind how many points you score for different actions. That's beside the scope of a contest like this in my opinion.

If I think my view is the best under the circumstances, what should I do? Vote according to my belief, and likely get very few points or go with the lot and get loads of points?

I have no doubts. Write what you think is best, regardless what other panelists and/or voters may think. Points/marks have little significance in my view. Interesting bidding ideas have.

Roland

[luke warm]

yeah roland, that's why i enjoyed them so much.. i want to see the judgment, the reasoning, involved... i want to understand why one bid was chosen over another.. it's human nature (i guess) to want to compete, to see how one does against others, but the main point for me was to learn

[Walddk]

Let me add that I think Elianna did a super job. Too bad that some made her resign. If those "some" think they can do a better job, why don't they volunteer to take over?

Criticising is the easiest approach. Doing something about it takes some effort. I agree with all Al_U_Card is saying.

Roland

[whereagles]

Dear Wald and Al_U:

Look guys, I don't know what job you guys have, but I'm a temporary post-doc researcher at the local university. I might know where my next meal is coming from, but I sure don't know where it is coming from 6 months from now. Plus I have to feed my kids. If I had ANY spare time at all to process the poll answers and post them, I would gladly do it myself. As it is, and while I don't get a steady job, 10 mins per day in the forum is all I can spare to bridge right now. So I'm not having you two accusing me of complaining without doing anything. I would do something, IF I COULD, so please stop it.

[whereagles]

Elianna:

I'm sorry if you took my critics personally, but let me tell you being on the receiving end of unfair criticism is a daily fact of life. I myself experience that constantly at the forum. All I can say is, live with it. Get used. I haven't stopped posting because of arguings. And if you bother to read through an arguing of mine, you'll see few people stand by me (if any). Yet, I survive.

[Walddk]

whereagles, on Sep 10 2005, 08:12 AM, said:

If I had ANY spare time at all to process the poll answers and post them, I would gladly do it myself. As it is, and while I don't get a steady job, 10 mins per day in the forum is all I can spare to bridge right now. So I'm not having you two accusing me of complaining without doing anything. I would do something, IF I COULD, so please stop it.

Then I suggest that you spend the 10 minutes with something constructive instead of complaining. You even wrote that you had every right to complain. That is:

1. Destructive.

2. Even worse when you don't have time to do anything yourself.

Roland

[Elianna]

whereagles, on Sep 9 2005, 11:19 PM, said:

Elianna:

I'm sorry if you took my critics personally, but let me tell you being on the receiving end of unfair criticism is a daily fact of life. I myself experience that constantly at the forum. All I can say is, live with it. Get used. I haven't stopped posting because of arguings. And if you bother to read through an arguing of mine, you'll see few people stand by me (if any). Yet, I survive.

I don't mind if people argue with me, criticize, etc. The fact that you did not even bother to see what actually was happening before you complained, and felt that it was perfectly within your right to do so, says a lot.

I don't feel that I need to get used to abusive behavior. There are easy solutions. The one I chose is to get out of that situation.

I saw that you said that you are really busy, but I don't know why you think that a lot of us have infinite free time. I certainly don't, and didn't see the need to spend it doing something that just got to be unpleasant.

[Walddk]

whereagles, on Sep 10 2005, 08:19 AM, said:

And if you bother to read through an arguing of mine, you'll see few people stand by me (if any). Yet, I survive.

If you feel that you are the ugly duckling among the Forum members, there may be a reason for it. You, like everyone else, are entitled to your opinion, but complaining is not the way forward. Being negative never is.

I think I am in a position to tell you because I spend hundreds of hours every year working for the BBO community (unpaid needless to say).

Roland

[whereagles]

Wald: complaining doesn't equal being destructive and you should know that. Besides, I deny having been destructive. I pointed out what I though was wrong and geve suggestions how it could be done otherwise.

That being said, let me point out history shows it's the "ugly ducklings", the rebels, who make the world go forward.

[the hog]

whereagles, on Sep 10 2005, 05:54 AM, said:

Look guys, the right to complain is a right everyone is endowed with. A person has every right to disagree and voice his disagreement. It's called "freedom of speech".

A highly amusing comment coming from someone who spat the dummy when his home grown convention was criticized.

[whereagles]

Sure, whatever you say.