[POJC]

mike777, on Aug 28 2005, 12:29 PM, said:

I also open 1D and rebid 2clubs NONFORCING but not for any of the above reasons.

I only have 19 hcp, I just hope the 2 level is not too high.
Partner could have: xxxx=xxxxx=void=xxxx
Those opening 2C or 1D and game forcing with 3c or 3nt have wonderful partners.
CALL ME MR. CONSERVATIVE.

That problem is non-existent
I would expect my P to bid PASS, not bid 1 of a major... Just like in bridge

[Fluffy]

Jlall, on Aug 26 2005, 03:41 PM, said:

Well you got to the best spot, but I don't really like the way you got there. For starters, this hand is just not a 2C opener in a 2/1 or SAYC system. I don't know what the 2N response means, but if natural it's also not a good bid with a void. I must say it's tough to find the slam though. The auction will start

1D-1H
?

If east rebids 3C now, obviously it will be reached. If 3D or 3N is rebid, though, it will be missed.

oops...you edited your post while i was posting haha. If 2N is artificial 7+ then I guess it's the system bid, but I'd suggest altering the system. The slam is good, I'll let the math wizards tell you how good.

I disagree with you here. After a 1♦ opening, the bidding should start with something like:

1♦-2♣
3♦-3NT
4♣

[whereagles]

Yup, Fluffy's auction seems to be quite good.

Except that I'm not 100% sure responder has to have 5 clubs in that bidding...

[mike777]

POJC, on Aug 29 2005, 06:28 AM, said:

mike777, on Aug 28 2005, 12:29 PM, said:

I also open 1D and rebid 2clubs NONFORCING but not for any of the above reasons.

I only have 19 hcp, I just hope the 2 level is not too high.
Partner could have: xxxx=xxxxx=void=xxxx
Those opening 2C or 1D and game forcing with 3c or 3nt have wonderful partners.
CALL ME MR. CONSERVATIVE.

That problem is non-existent
I would expect my P to bid PASS, not bid 1 of a major... Just like in bridge

Well Kokish who coaches many top flight teams thinks responder hand must bid 100% of the time, as do other top expert team coaches. Pass is not as clear cut as you infer by many top players or even novice players such as myself.

To say this problem is non-existent seems not to be the best turn of the phrase.

See current September 2005 issue of ACBL Bulletin for another viewpoint.

[POJC]

mike777, on Aug 29 2005, 06:15 PM, said:

POJC, on Aug 29 2005, 06:28 AM, said:

mike777, on Aug 28 2005, 12:29 PM, said:

I also open 1D and rebid 2clubs NONFORCING but not for any of the above reasons.

I only have 19 hcp, I just hope the 2 level is not too high.
Partner could have: xxxx=xxxxx=void=xxxx
Those opening 2C or 1D and game forcing with 3c or 3nt have wonderful partners.
CALL ME MR. CONSERVATIVE.

That problem is non-existent
I would expect my P to bid PASS, not bid 1 of a major... Just like in bridge

Well Kokish who coaches many top flight teams thinks responder hand must bid 100% of the time, as do other top expert team coaches. Pass is not as clear cut as you infer by many top players or even novice players such as myself.

To say this problem is non-existent seems not to be the best turn of the phrase.

See current September 2005 issue of ACBL Bulletin for another viewpoint.

That might be correct. It might even be better than what i do...

But this is beginner forum, and i doubt that any beginners are taught to respond
with around 0 HCP...
If i played with a normal p and a natural system i would be really sorry to see P pass my 2C rebid

[Fluffy]

whereagles, on Aug 29 2005, 03:31 PM, said:

Yup, Fluffy's auction seems to be quite good.

Except that I'm not 100% sure responder has to have 5 clubs in that bidding...

If he doesn't have 5♣ then he is forced to have 3♦, so there isn't much problem

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an 11 count with a void in partners suit is now a game forcing bid? OK wasn't aware (note he mentioned 2/1 in his original post). I highly doubt anyone would GF opposite a 1D opener if they had not seen all the hands already.

well...., I would. But now you say so it is closer than I though at first. Even though I don't play 1♦-2♣ as Gf, bidding 2♣ with 4c will show GF values if I wanna find the major fit ever.

[whereagles]

Fluffy, on Aug 30 2005, 12:40 PM, said:

whereagles, on Aug 29 2005, 03:31 PM, said:

Yup, Fluffy's auction seems to be quite good.

Except that I'm not 100% sure responder has to have 5 clubs in that bidding...

If he doesn't have 5♣ then he is forced to have 3♦, so there isn't much problem

Ok. So far so good. But then if it goes..

1♦ 2♣
3♦ 3NT
4♣ 4♦

what is 4♦? Is it diamond cue with club fit, or it is just saying "I don't have 5 clubs, but I have 3 diamonds."?

[POJC]

whereagles, on Aug 30 2005, 02:48 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Aug 30 2005, 12:40 PM, said:

whereagles, on Aug 29 2005, 03:31 PM, said:

Yup, Fluffy's auction seems to be quite good.

Except that I'm not 100% sure responder has to have 5 clubs in that bidding...

If he doesn't have 5♣ then he is forced to have 3♦, so there isn't much problem

Ok. So far so good. But then if it goes..

1♦ 2♣
3♦ 3NT
4♣ 4♦

what is 4♦? Is it diamond cue with club fit, or it is just saying "I don't have 5 clubs, but I have 3 diamonds."?

With no agreement 4♦ is "i have 3 diamonds, u like this better?".
It's never smart to start a cuebid sequence in a bid suit, since p is bound to misunderstand it or forgot what we had agreed on.

After 4♣ i would bid 4♥ instead