[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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You open 1S and partner bids 2D; 2D = 10+ pts and 4card D.
What do you rebid with this hand?
Scoring is MP's. You play some kind of standard American:
2NT, 2S and 3D are not forcing.

[mike777]

kgr, on Aug 23 2005, 05:15 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

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You open 1S and partner bids 2D; 2D = 10+ pts and 4card D.
What do you rebid with this hand?
Scoring is MP's. You play some kind of standard American:
2NT, 2S and 3D are not forcing.

3h if splinter if not then 4h splinter.

[kgr]

mike777, on Aug 24 2005, 12:21 AM, said:

kgr, on Aug 23 2005, 05:15 PM, said:

Dealer: South Vul: N/S Scoring: MP

♠ AJ9xxx ♥   ♦ ATxx ♣ KTx

You open 1S and partner bids 2D; 2D = 10+ pts and 4card D.
What do you rebid with this hand?
Scoring is MP's. You play some kind of standard American:
2NT, 2S and 3D are not forcing.

3h if splinter if not then 4h splinter.

We don't play splinters.
We started playing splinters and cue-bids (2nd round controls) and it was not clear when a certain bid was a splinter or a cue bid.
- If you bid 3H as splinter then this is agreeing D as trump? Is that ok (MPs!)?
- What do you bid if splinter is not available?
- Bonus question : When is a specific bid a splinter and not a cue-bid (Maybe we can reintroduce splinters if we have a clear spec about this).

[mike777]

kgr, on Aug 23 2005, 05:30 PM, said:

mike777, on Aug 24 2005, 12:21 AM, said:

kgr, on Aug 23 2005, 05:15 PM, said:

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> South </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> N/S </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> MP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> AJ9xxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td>  </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> ATxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> KTx </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->
You open 1S and partner bids 2D; 2D = 10+ pts and 4card D.
What do you rebid with this hand?
Scoring is MP's. You play some kind of standard American:
2NT, 2S and 3D are not forcing.

3h if splinter if not then 4h splinter.

We don't play splinters.
We started playing splinters and cue-bids (2nd round controls) and it was not clear when a certain bid was a splinter or a cue bid.
- If you bid 3H as splinter then this is agreeing D as trump? Is that ok (MPs!)?
- What do you bid if splinter is not available?
- Bonus question : When is a specific bid a splinter and not a cue-bid (Maybe we can reintroduce splinters if we have a clear spec about this).

Quote Hardy:"Opener's jump shift rebid after a two-over-one response is a splinter"

Well it just seems playing one system for MP and another for IMP's is just making bridge harder but best wishes.

[whereagles]

Not playing gadgets, I would bid 3♦. If I get past this round, I'd be in excellent shape.

[ochinko]

Even if you use splinters (which is a good idea) I don't think a splinter in the second major is clear or welcomed. For me 3H would mean 5 spades, 4 hearts, 18-19 pts, and 4 hearts would mean 6-6 in the majors, few points - pick a major game partner. If you were stronger you could bid 5H as exclusion Blackwood.

Here I would bid 2Sp because it's MP, and I have 6 spades. If partner jumps to 3NT I'll surprise him with 6D 4Sp from him will trigger 6Sp from me.

Petko

[kgr]

mike777, on Aug 24 2005, 12:43 AM, said:

Quote Hardy:"Opener's jump shift rebid after a two-over-on response is a splinter"

... Any others bids (...and quotes) that are clearly splinter?

Quote

Well it just seems playing one system for MP and another for IMP's is just making bridge harder but best wishes.

I don't want to play different system, but at MP's try to focus even more on Majors and NT. E.g: with xx=KJ=KQxxx=Axxx; after 1D-1S : at MP's I will rebid 1NT, at IMP's 2C

[mike777]

kgr, on Aug 23 2005, 05:53 PM, said:

mike777, on Aug 24 2005, 12:43 AM, said:

Quote Hardy:"Opener's jump shift rebid after a two-over-on response is a splinter"

... Any others bids (...and quotes) that are clearly splinter?

Quote

Well it just seems playing one system for MP and another for IMP's is just making bridge harder but best wishes.

I don't want to play different system, but at MP's try to focus even more on Majors and NT. E.g: with xx=KJ=KQxxx=Axxx; after 1D-1S : at MP's I will rebid 1NT, at IMP's 2C

1) There are many fine general books out that have detailed discussions on splinters. As you can see many do not play the "book" way and tweak their personal system.
2) Ok if you rebid 1nt at MP, just let me know if you find that winning MP bridge. I have no idea. Must admit I would rebid 2clubs always.

[mikeh]

In standard american, 2/1 promises a rebid if partner rebids 2♠. There has been a discussion on another thread about whether (and why) SAYC and/or 2/1 are 'unplayable'. Without re-opening that can of worms, using the auction of 1♠ 2♦ 2♠ as non-forcing truly seems to me to be unplayable.

However, be that as it may, I will assume that I have been called in to fill in for a player who got suddenly ill (perhaps from the realization of how stuck he was now) and I have to bid within the confines of his methods.

I suspect that 3♥ is natural in these methods: so that is out.

No number of ♠ is correct: so that is out

NT seems odd, to say the least, so strike all those bids

3♣ is forcing, and if my partner bids 3N , my 4♦ bid will alert him to something funny going on. Whether he will eventually get this particular joke is an open question.

3♦ is far too wimpy

4♥: aha: a splinter! But I have a void and I hate splintering in a void so much that I almost never do it: I will only do it if I intend to bid on over partner's signoff, and I can't do that here. Besides, if I splinter, what would partner's 4♠ mean??

Okay... I hate to sound like I always agree with young Justin.... I'd rather he always agreed with me.... but I go with his 4♦ bid

everything else is either too much or too little or too weird: 4♦ is just fine.

[Fluffy]

I though even at sayc you could bid 3♦ forcing, but if not I guess 2♠ at MP and 4♦ at IMP.

I disagree that any ♥ bid is splinter, with the possible exceeption of 5♥.

[P_Marlowe]

3D, wtp?

Show your support.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

kgr, on Aug 23 2005, 05:30 PM, said:

We don't play splinters.
We started playing splinters and cue-bids (2nd round controls) and it was not clear when a certain bid was a splinter or a cue bid.
- If you bid 3H as splinter then this is agreeing D as trump? Is that ok (MPs!)?
- What do you bid if splinter is not available?
- Bonus question   : When is a specific bid a splinter and not a cue-bid (Maybe we can reintroduce splinters if we have a clear spec about this).

Hi,

- If you bid 3H as a splinter this sets trumps,
with the exception, that reponder bids 3S, in which
case he shows a strong game forcing raise of spades
- This depends on how much you like your hand, 3D is
an underbid, 4D is an overbid.
Both bids have their flaws, take your choice, stick with
it and be prepared to pay the prize, if the other bid would have
worked better.
- If the same suit bid a step below, would be natural and forcing
then the bid is a splinter
In your frame work, similar to Acol, 2H would be forcing (?!)
=> 3H would be a splinter

It is not a question splinter versus cue-bid, because a cue bid can
also be a shortage, but a question splinter reagarding length
The length does not always promise values, sometimes you have
to bid shape, and your values will be most of the times in your long
suits.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Al_U_Card]

Despite the 12 hcp, the 6 loser hand with a decent 6 card spade suit deserves a bid of 3S. When pard bids 3NT on his stiff spade, your D will allow the S to be developed. Any other bid by him and you can find the appropriate contract.

[Al_U_Card]

Jlall, on Aug 24 2005, 10:52 AM, said:

Al_U_Card, on Aug 24 2005, 10:48 AM, said:

Despite the 12 hcp, the 6 loser hand with a decent 6 card spade suit deserves a bid of 3S.  When pard bids 3NT on his stiff spade, your D will allow the S to be developed.  Any other bid by him and you can find the appropriate contract.

If pard has a stiff spade, don't you want to be in diamonds? Playing 3N could work but its a pretty big view with this hand.

Best thing about this game is the guilty pleasure associated with stretching the envelope. Admittedly there are lots of considerations, and I do play a lot more matchpoints (so I guess the safety of 4D-5D has a lot to be said for it at imps). Still, If pard had the stiff K of S say, 4 potential S tricks in 3NT is pretty good.

[Winstonm]

Certainly a clumsy hand due to playing matchpoints and non-forcing bids. If partner has wastage in hearts then a partscore may well be the max.

If 3 diamonds is the max, then +110 in spades is just as good and +140 will be better than all the +110s and +130s. At matchpoints, I think it is right to emphasize the higher scoring spade suit and rebid 2S as this is about the only way to play spades if partner holds xx.

Should partner have a good hand, 2S does not end the auction and I can attempt to catch up later with a jump in diamonds.

Matchpoints is for the young - you have to think too hard all the time.

Winston

[Al_U_Card]

Winstonm, on Aug 24 2005, 11:19 AM, said:

If 3 diamonds is the max, then +110 in spades is just as good and +140 will be better than all the +110s and +130s. At matchpoints, I think it is right to emphasize the higher scoring spade suit and rebid 2S as this is about the only way to play spades if partner holds xx.

Should partner have a good hand, 2S does not end the auction and I can attempt to catch up later with a jump in diamonds.

Perhaps I misunderstood. Is not 2D at 10+ hcp a "good" hand? The 3S bid can always be passed in SAYC if pard only has the minimum for what he promised. Always have to operate with the understandings in the partnership ( or given in the problem)...

[han]

How can 2S, 2NT and 3D all be non-forcing???

Since I don't like to abstain, I'll bid 4D.

[Elianna]

Fluffy, on Aug 23 2005, 05:21 PM, said:

I though even at sayc you could bid 3♦ forcing, but if not I guess 2♠ at MP and 4♦ at IMP.

In SAYC, not only is the auction 1♠-2♦-3♦ forcing, it's forcing to game.

Of course, people can play different versions of SA, and if they say it's not forcing for them, then ok.

As Mikeh said, (paraphrasing) in SAYC, a 2/1 call should promise a rebid, so 2♠, 3♦, etc all should be forcing, in that partner already promised to bid again.