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david_c, on Aug 18 2005, 06:44 PM, said:

Rebound, on Aug 18 2005, 11:32 PM, said:

If I play old-style Standard American and a double raise of a major shows a game forcing hand, should it be alerted? I think so, natural or not, since almost no one plays that way anymore and your opponents should be informed. Would I cry if I came in over this auction and went for a telephone number without asking about the bid, alerted or not? No.

But there's a third question, which is more important as far as this forum is concerned. Suppose you're a TD, and you get called to a table where the bidding has gone 1♠:3♠ etc., and their opponents complain that the 3♠ bidder's hand is too strong - they want an adjustment because they think 3♠ should be alerted if it is game forcing. Now you have to decide, how do you rule? You have precisely two choices (usually):

1. "I don't think you can expect your opponents to alert 3♠ here." [and to the 3♠ bidder: "I'm not going to adjust the score, but please alert 3♠ in future because most people play it as showing a weaker hand."]

2. "Your 3♠ bid is very unusual - you really need to alert it if you've agreed that it is forcing. I will look at the hand, and if it seems that the result might have been different if 3♠ had been explained properly then I will adjust the score."

Both sides here are probably "innocent" in that they aren't trying to gain any unfair advantage. But you have to rule one way or the other.

I doubt this one would actually come up; but still, it's important to discuss this sort of thing.

It's a clear number 2 this time - this bid is alertable as "unexpectedly forcing or non-forcing" - just as 1♣-2♣ is alertable when it is forcing.

I'm not sure whether 3♠ is alertable when it is a preempt (as opposed to limit-raise), because in both cases it promises a spade fit and is not forcing (therefore could be considered natural... I alert weak variant, though... but I am sure that if any natural raise of any natural bid is forcing, it should be alerted.

[david_c]

LH2650, on Aug 19 2005, 02:07 AM, said:

david_c, on Aug 18 2005, 06:44 PM, said:

You have precisely two choices (usually)

Hopefully there is a third option. You pull out your Alert Chart, and look it up. If you are running an ACBL tournament, you then say "Not Alertable."

That would be nice, but even if this situation is covered explicitly there will be plenty of others which aren't, and the TD will need to make a judgement decision.

Also remember that (with the exception of ACBL tourneys, where players are expected to know the ACBL rules) detailed alerting charts are not practical for online play because the players won't take any notice of them.

[Dragan]

Things is simply:
1. After X for E/W, 5♥X+1
2. Becouse no Alert 2♠, for N/S 5♥+1 and warning

btw, can we make such split score at BBO ?

Dragan

[mink]

Dragan, on Aug 19 2005, 12:34 PM, said:

btw, can we make such split score at BBO ?

not today, maybe in future