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Posted 2005-August-11, 22:37

Scoring: MP

(1) - P - (2) - P
(3)* - X - (P) - P
(3) - All Pass


* Help Suit Game Try

After your "lead directing" double of 3 you lead the 9 to the Q and K from partner.

Partner returns the 4 to declarer's Q and your K.

What next?
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Posted 2005-August-12, 03:13

, otherwise partner is nuts not to play ...
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Posted 2005-August-12, 10:47

Return a heart. Possible that pard has the Ax of hearts and declarer has the KD.

Also possible that pd has a stiff heart, but then declarer made a really bonehead play by finessing.
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Posted 2005-August-12, 11:21

Pard is no dummy, normally he would lead a diamond. There must be a reason he lead a heart.

I think its likely declarer has:
Spades: (5) XXXXX
Hearts: (4): AQJX
Diamonds: (3) xxx
Clubs: X
(or even 4 diamonds and 0 clubs)

Pard has a stiff heart.

Lead a heart back for a ruff, then he will return a diamond through declarer.
You will get 2 ruffs, 2 diamonds, a heart, and a club for down 2.



>Return a heart. Possible that pard has the Ax of hearts and declarer has the KD.

I think this is unlikely because declarer would not make a game try with heart losers on top of diamon losers.

Pard wouldnt return a heart from 4 to the Ace, he'd lead a high diamond, and signal the heart Ace as an entry.
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Posted 2005-August-12, 12:11

Free, on Aug 12 2005, 04:13 AM, said:

, otherwise partner is nuts not to play ...

agree
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Posted 2005-August-12, 12:35

I also return a heart.

If for some reason partner wanted a shift then he wouldn't have played a low heart.

I don't like the double btw, makes it easier for opponents to stop in 3S.
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Posted 2005-August-12, 13:10

What the hell was the double of 3? Why announce what you have? :-)
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Posted 2005-August-12, 14:01

return a .

For me, an easy answer because of the spot led by partner: I play attitude leads on switches, so the low shows interest: either the A or stiff. Lead my highest spot to ensure the back, just to prevent partner from thinking I want to ruff a , unlikely as it is that I should want to do so.

BTW, I always like to know what an opp means by HSGT.

Would it be Kxx or xxx? I like hsgt to show length plus an honour, but I know others who like it to show no control at all. That makes little difference here, since I am returning a anyway, but on some other layouts, it might be critical
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Posted 2005-August-12, 14:09

Scoring: MP

P - (1) - P - (2)
P - (3) - X - (P)
P - (3) - All Pass


Yes, I agree with Luis that the double of 3 was completely unnecessary. However, it did make the defense interesting as partner didn't switch to a diamond. On the diamond lead however, you better play a high heart to get the diamond back, else partner might think you want a club ruff. I returned a high heart and we set the contract 3 tricks. Who should have doubled it if anyone?
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Posted 2005-August-13, 14:30

isn't +300 enough in MP's? :lol:
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Posted 2005-August-14, 10:03

It's hard to imagine a hand worthy of a game try that holds xxx in clubs unless it is fairly strong, and if declarer held only 2 clubs and the AQ of hearts he could rise, draw 2 rounds of trump and then pitch the heart on a club.

So, it looks like declarer should hold something like this:

AKQxx
Q,
Kxxxx
xx

Or if conservative, maybe even:

AKQxx
AQ,
Kxx
xxx.

With the second hand, if I play back a heart, declarer has nothing better to do but lead a diamond. I can win and lead the third heart. Declarer ruffs, and leads another diamond. But now, after I win the diamond, I lead the penultimate heart and partner can pitch his last diamond.

The heart return rates to be best, I think, regardless of which type hand declarer holds and is necessary it seems if declarer holds the second hand.
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Posted 2005-August-14, 10:16

Matt: don't lose sleep about not doubling these silly contracts. You are already booked for at least an 80% board when it fails and the field plays a part score. And if by a weird chance, the club and diamond suits are reversed, you've converted a 25% board into a flat zero.
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