[flytoox]

Red vs white, MP, holding,

S: KX
H: XXX
D: KQJXXX
C: QX

RHO opens 1H, what do you bid? Pass, 2D, 3D?

[Free]

2♦, tells my hand...

[pbleighton]

2D, wtp?

Peter

[coyot]

Same camp. Compare this 2♦ bid to another 2♦ overcall that has been discussed recently and you'll see that this hand, albeit 3 HCP weaker, is much better :-)

[mike777]

2D since p is an unpassed hand.
3D if p is a passed hand.

[Double !]

agree
2 diamonds
This is what you want partner to lead if opps buy the contract, and you have a sound suit, reducing the risk of lho having the trump stack that could result in you going for telephone numbers.

[EricK]

Just about strong enough for 2♦. 3♦ is crazy at this vulnerability IMO. But pass is plausible as there is a good chance you will be on lead and unless partner can show some independent sign of life there is little chance of your actually buying the contract, and revealing your strength might drop a trick in defense.

Eric

[the hog]

Totally different and much better hand than the 2D posted in a previous thread. I don't like the 3 baby hearts, but this is a 2D overcall.

[flytoox]

Of coz this is totally different. NOw you must agree that you bid 2D only to find a partscore or suggest a lead in case LHO declares. AND you hope pd will not take you too seriously. Especially, you hope him will not hang you by bidding 3N simply holding DA and say HKJx.

[luis]

Pass.

[keylime]

2D. I happily overcall a six card minor, but rarely a five card one.

[Antoine Fourrière]

3♦, unless it is more important to win the post-mortem than to win the game.
From a total tricks point of view, you can bid three over two with an eight-card fit, which means you need only two cards from partner, and from a practical point of view they haven't doubled you yet and probably won't because it isn't easy to pass a negative double without the ♦KQJ. Moreover, a raise to 3♥ is automatic with three hearts, and you're preempting spades quite effectively if they do not play Flannery, so there are bigger chances to send them into an inferior contract than to suffer the indignity of a magical 200. 3♦ is also more ♣Q-friendly than 2♦. Finally, 2♦ doesn't hamper their bidding a lot if your partner passes or raises to 3♦, hence its minimum should be a tad higher.

[the hog]

flytoox, on Jul 30 2005, 08:39 AM, said:

Of coz this is totally different. NOw you must agree that you bid 2D only to find a partscore or suggest a lead in case LHO declares. AND you hope pd will not take you too seriously. Especially, you hope him will not hang you by bidding 3N simply holding DA and say HKJx.

Disagree Fly. If responder to overcaller has A of D and some scattered values, you are a reasonable bet to make 3NT. Now you have 6 D tricks. Also if partner decides to sacrifice, overcaller has a 6 card D suit, so you figure to take fewer defensive tricks. This is elementary hand evaluation. Note that Luis passes this hand, presumably because his agreements with his partner obviously differ totally from say mine for example.

[bearmum]

2♦ WTP

[Winstonm]

Toss up between Pass and 2D; the "death" holding in hearts is a huge negative as is the flat shape - but it is matchpoints and the risk of being doubled at the 2-level is almost nil; however, there is a real possibility of getting too high and getting whacked at the 3 level as the opps will be quick on the trigger to try and collect the magic +200.

But like I said, it's matchpoints and you can't win playing safe - 2D with sympathy for the ones who pass.

Winston

[flytoox]

The_Hog, on Jul 30 2005, 03:41 AM, said:

flytoox, on Jul 30 2005, 08:39 AM, said:

Of coz this is totally different. NOw you must agree that you bid 2D only to find a partscore or suggest a lead in case LHO declares. AND you hope pd will not take you too seriously. Especially, you hope him will not hang you by bidding 3N simply holding DA and say HKJx.

Disagree Fly. If responder to overcaller has A of D and some scattered values, you are a reasonable bet to make 3NT. Now you have 6 D tricks. Also if partner decides to sacrifice, overcaller has a 6 card D suit, so you figure to take fewer defensive tricks. This is elementary hand evaluation. Note that Luis passes this hand, presumably because his agreements with his partner obviously differ totally from say mine for example.

Ron, I agree with you that holding DAx and HKJx there is some chane to make 3N. However, you should not bid more than a raise to 3D. If overcaller has extra, he will take some initiative and make some game try. In that case you can bid 3N. If there is 3N, you wont miss it.

Basically, my point is advancer should keeep in mind pd's overcall might be based on a good suit with little else. This will take pressure of the overcaller and hence you will be more happy to overcall, knowing pd willnot hang you up.

[the hog]

Again this boils down to what the 3D bid is. I would raise to 3D on the responding hand posted in the other forum - stiff A of S and xxx of D and out. So would many others.

[Fluffy]

All 3 options are ok, but I would probably bid 2♦ as others.

[000002]

vote 3♦
reason: 7 tricks , 1 defence only

vote pass if ♦ suit KQJ432 in unfavorable VUL

[P_Marlowe]

2D, wtp ?

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: 3D is possible, but anti field.