[badderzboy]

Scoring: IMP

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Steve

Spoiler

If u bid 1♦ RHO bids 1♥

[pbleighton]

I open 1D. You could upgrade to 2C, but showing this hand is hard enough opening at the 1 level.

Peter

[han]

Let's see if I remember correctly what Ben has taught me a couple of weeks ago. I open 3D with this hand, so that I can show a spades-diamonds 2-suiter with exactly 3 losers, I believe by rebidding 4D over 3H (3S would show 4 losers).

Not having New MisIry available, I think I will start with 2C. This hand is so strong that I don't think I can catch up if I start with 1D.

I predict that the majority will vote 1D.

[inquiry]

Hannie, on Jul 31 2005, 03:04 PM, said:

Let's see if I remember correctly what Ben has taught me a couple of weeks ago. I open 3D with this hand, so that I can show a spades-diamonds 2-suiter with exactly 3 losers, I believe by rebidding 4D over 3H (3S would show 4 losers).

Not having New MisIry available, I think I will start with 2C. This hand is so strong that I don't think I can catch up if I start with 1D.

I predict that the majority will vote 1D.

Correct you are.. .3♦ in misiry (I have thrown out old misiry for new misiry, so now just misiry rather than new misiry). Followed by 4D. If norht wants to try for slam, he bids 4H (denial) over 4D.. and 6S will result immediately as south bids 5NT, missing both queens anchor queens, i have the ACE of hearts).

MisIry can be found at: Long winded description of MisIry

Without MisIry, I vote for 1D.

[Fluffy]

Clear 1♠ opening, it seems I'll reach 6♠ in few rounds.

[mike777]

Clear 1D, will reach slam in a few rounds.

[luis]

1♦ I usually agree with Fluffy's comments but opening the shortest suit of two with a strong hand is a recipe for disaster, pd will kepep correcting to spades and you will feel bad bad bad.

[bearmum]

badderzboy, on Aug 1 2005, 07:56 AM, said:

Dealer: East Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ Q92 ♥ QJ843 ♦ 8 ♣ Q987 ♠ AJ753 ♥ A ♦ AK10653 ♣ A

Steve

Spoiler

If u bid 1♦ RHO bids 1♥

I play precision so open 1♣

Playing Acol with Benjamin 2's (which I do occasionally ) I'll open 2C (and get a positive 2♥ response showing 5+ H and 7+ points )

Playing SAYC or 2/1 I will open 2♣ also

[helene_t]

I'm afraid we might defend 1♥ doubled.

[EricK]

I open 1♦.

I am unlikley to get to describe this hand at a reasonable level if I open 2♣.

I prefer 1♦ to 1♠ for 3 reasons:
1. My diamonds are longer and stronger
2. 1♦ is less likely to be passed out than 1♠
3. Over the most likely response of 1♥ I can show my enormous playing strength and still be at the 2 level.

If the bidding starts 1♦ (1♥) P (P) then I will reopen with a jump to 2♠

Eric

[HeartA]

2C for me.

[hrothgar]

1♦ for me

I HATE opening 2♣ with 2 suited hands...
Luckily, while hands like this get a lot of attention, they're quite rare...

[the hog]

Depends on system, doesn't it? Playing 2/1 or sayc I open 1D. Not 2C!

[flytoox]

1D. After 2C it is almost impossible to bid out your shape. I actually think even in precision this kind hand should not open 1C if there is any other bid can handle it.

[coyot]

I voted for 1♦ as two spade rebids will describe the hand exactly. The only trouble of this hand is finding partner with the spade honors, which will be a little harder if he happens to support diamonds and not spades.
1♦-1♥
1♠-1NT
2♠*-4♠

2♠ now shows 5♠ and 6♦ (or 6+7) and a strong hand. Partner's ugly values make him sign off, after which I can RKCB and park in 6♠, making if spades are 3-2 and diamonds no worse than 4-2.

But give partner 1 more diamond and 1 less spade and I might end up in a very bad slam.

[luis]

After 1♦ if LHO bids 1♥ and that is passed to me I reopen with 2♠ which is very forcing. Then it depends on what pd does.

[Fluffy]

Well, I dunno if you really prefer 1♦, but that is simply weird to me, because 1♦ opening denies 5♠ on my system.

[Winstonm]

Luckily I have a way to bid this hand.

Because the 2C opening is the albatross of natural systems, I stongly feel it pays to define these bids quite closely. Therefore, my partner and I decided there were three basic hand types that would open 2C: NT hands, 1-suiters, and 2 suiters and all can be shown.

2C-2D is a 99% forced asking bid. (2N is a virtual yarborough with at least 2 cards in every suit and opener places the contract. 3C, 3D are exactly Qxxxxx with no more that a J outside.)
2H- a la Kokish relay, either a 22-23 NT or a heart-2 suiter after which 2S asks.
2S- an unspecified 1-suiter and asks for controls.
2N- 24-25 NT
3C/3D,3H Spades and the suit bid.

Therefore with this hand I could bid:
2C-2D
3D-3H* *transfer
3S-4S

Without this type of system, put me in the 1D camp.

Winston

[bearmum]

flytoox, on Aug 1 2005, 09:03 PM, said:

1D. After 2C it is almost impossible to bid out your shape. I actually think even in precision this kind hand should not open 1C if there is any other bid can handle it.

Trouble with that approach is that 1♦ and 1♠ show a MAX (the way I play Precision) of 15 points --- so it's entirely possible that you ONLY get to play in a partial if P has the hand shown

After consideration I think those who vote for 1♦ (playing anything except a strong club system) got it right -- one can ALWAYS reverse to 2♠ if necessary --unless it goes 1♦ P P P -- which will NOT happen (luckily) with the hands shown

[Double !]

I'm a nonconformist who will usually look for some way to create a forcing situation as soon as possible when I have (or just about have) game in my own hand. This hand is an exception. If one open's 2 clubs, there's a good chance that P will respond 2 diamonds, pushing the bidding up a level if you bid your suits in proper order, and it could make showing your 5 spades awkward. If you choose to rebid spades first, then P will likely think that your spades are longer each time you rebid diamonds. (Got it: play minor suit canapes after 2C openers). Somehow, I doubt that this hand is going to get passed out at 1 diamond or even through the 2-level. This hand likely will have another chance to speak.