[the hog]

Fluffy, on Aug 2 2005, 12:37 AM, said:

Well, I dunno if you really prefer 1♦, but that is simply weird to me, because 1♦ opening denies 5♠ on my system.

This is why I said "It depends on system".

I agree with Fluffy that I would MUCH rather play a system where the 1D opening denied a 5 card Major, such as Polish Club. To the doubting Thomas, it is easy to show that Ds are longer.

It would be nice if posters when saying "how do you bid this?" added the rider how do you bid it in sayc or in 2/1.

There are many different ways to bid a hand, and if I posted a relay sequence, that would be meaningless to everybody and a waste of time

[coyot]

I thought for a long time that my system denied 5M if the opener starts with 1m. But I realized that you can easily fit this hand into (almost) any system!

If you simply rebid spades twice (basically no matter what your partner responds), you've shown 5-6-x-x AND a good hand. It works well even without jumping (if you play 1♦1-♥-1♠ as one round force - after that, 2♠ rebid is almost GF.

[Fluffy]

You cannot rebid spades twice when you are at the 5 level already, and... you have a small problem answering 4sF with balanced hands:

1♦-1♥
1♠-2♣

with a simpe 4243 without ♥ nor ♣ honnor we have an easy 2♠ rebid, what do you do?.

[FrancesHinden]

I don't think this is a reason not to open 1D on a 5-6.

There is a standard problem in replying to 4SF when you have already described your hand the previous round and have nothing suitable to show. You need to agree what the "default" bid is.

Personally, if I am 4243 minimum I open 1D and rebid 1NT.

If however I am 4243 minimum and I have agreed to rebid 1S, I open 1D, rebid 1S and bid 2H over 4SF.

If I am 4243 minimum and I have agreed to rebid 1S, and I have agreed that 2S is the "default" bid on such a hand, I rebid 3S over 2C on a 56. They're very rare.

Alternatively, if you like to play that 1D denies a 5-card major, then open the hand 1S. But then you need a systemic way (possibly an obscure way) to show longer diamonds.

[coyot]

Fluffy, on Aug 2 2005, 05:00 AM, said:

You cannot rebid spades twice when you are at the 5 level already, and... you have a small problem answering 4sF with balanced hands:

1♦-1♥
1♠-2♣

with a simpe 4243 without ♥ nor ♣ honnor we have an easy 2♠ rebid, what do you do?.

Can't happen to me -
1♦-1♥
1NT-...

If I have to bid 1♠ with this hand, then partner must expect trouble if I don't stop clubs - and I will gladly bit 2♦ on 4card.

I mean, why should I bid 2♠ with 4243 shape??? It is well known that when opener is under forcing, repeat of his first suit does not promise extra length!

Anyway, one more reason to play 1NT including spades

[P_Marlowe]

2C, ugly, but what else.

Having 20 HCP ist could easily go

Pass - 1D - Pass - Pass
Pass - ...

With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt