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While this hand shouldn't lead to fistfights, it seems to have segregated my circle of bridge playing friends into groups who feel that one choice is clearly better than the other. I think that it's close, and may be affected by how limited your openings are, but I was curious what people here would do (and whether you feel that it's a right or wrong decision, a question of style, or anything could be an ok agreement).
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Posted 2005-July-28, 20:55
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Posted 2005-July-28, 21:34
It is close. You didn't give scoring or vulnerability, but:
I would double, but wouldn't be upset if a partner bid 2S or passed at MPs. At teams, I think you have to double or bid 2S.
Peter
I would double, but wouldn't be upset if a partner bid 2S or passed at MPs. At teams, I think you have to double or bid 2S.
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Posted 2005-July-28, 21:36
2♠ I can't pass with two aces and doubling with 5 spades seems to be wrong. So while far from perfect I think 2♠ is quite clear.
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Posted 2005-July-28, 21:37
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Posted 2005-July-28, 23:53
You didn't mention which system is being played. (Phantom Club?)
2 bullets and solid interior sequence in spades: I voted to push a little and bid 2S. I think I can tolerate any bid P makes.
2 bullets and solid interior sequence in spades: I voted to push a little and bid 2S. I think I can tolerate any bid P makes.
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Posted 2005-July-29, 03:35
2♠ non forcing for me.
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Posted 2005-July-29, 03:42
A 6th spade, 2 aces, enough for 2♠, even if forcing
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Posted 2005-July-29, 04:00
er... certainly 2S is obvious if you had 6 spades, but sadly you don't.
I think it's very close between 2S and pass. I don't see the point of double.
Playing weak NT it's an easy 2S bid. Playing strong NT you are going to play in 2NT opposite a balanced 12 count which may not be the best spot.
I think it's very close between 2S and pass. I don't see the point of double.
Playing weak NT it's an easy 2S bid. Playing strong NT you are going to play in 2NT opposite a balanced 12 count which may not be the best spot.
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Posted 2005-July-29, 04:14
Almost any non-rubbish hand with 2 aces is worth an invite to me (I count Aces = 5 hcp), so, assuming 2S is invitational or better with 5+ spades, I'll bid it without a thought.
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Posted 2005-July-29, 04:25
Can someone tell me if 2♠ is forcing before I make a decision?. I think it is an agreement more important than opening range 
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Posted 2005-July-29, 05:34
FrancesHinden, on Jul 29 2005, 12:00 PM, said:
er... certainly 2S is obvious if you had 6 spades, but sadly you don't.
Oops I saw 6 spades !
I think I wd still bid 2♠ with this hand cause I have 3♥ and RHO bid 2♥. This increases the chances to find a ♠ fit.
For Gonzalo : if 2♠ is NFB than 2♠ is obvious, isn't it ?
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Posted 2005-July-29, 06:40
joker_gib, on Jul 29 2005, 06:34 AM, said:
FrancesHinden, on Jul 29 2005, 12:00 PM, said:
er... certainly 2S is obvious if you had 6 spades, but sadly you don't.
Oops I saw 6 spades !
I think I wd still bid 2♠ with this hand cause I have 3♥ and RHO bid 2♥. This increases the chances to find a ♠ fit.
For Gonzalo : if 2♠ is NFB than 2♠ is obvious, isn't it ?
Alain
NFB over WJO? That makes the game rather hard does it not if you have to start with X and then listen to LHO raise their partner?
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Posted 2005-July-29, 06:49
Yes, of course I agree that it can't be NF on WJO !
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Posted 2005-July-29, 07:03
Since we play 2nd level NF in competitive bidding, 2♠ is a clear favorite - not too strong. True, the spades are ugly, but, then, noone promised life's gonna be easy.
If we play Lebensohl, I still bid NF 2♠, but if the ace of diamonds moves to spades, I would bid that hand as invitational.
If we play Lebensohl, I still bid NF 2♠, but if the ace of diamonds moves to spades, I would bid that hand as invitational.
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Posted 2005-July-29, 12:52
This post raises an issue for me.
Assuming that the partnership is NOT playing negative free bids, does the person making the 2S bid unconditionally promise another bid? This is an issue where I have heard differing opinions such as "yes, unless opener rebids 2NT". For those of you not playing nfb's (are there any?), what are your opinions on this question. (This is sort of like the question of, playing sayc, whether or not someone making a 2/1 response promises a second bid.)
Thanks in advance.
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Assuming that the partnership is NOT playing negative free bids, does the person making the 2S bid unconditionally promise another bid? This is an issue where I have heard differing opinions such as "yes, unless opener rebids 2NT". For those of you not playing nfb's (are there any?), what are your opinions on this question. (This is sort of like the question of, playing sayc, whether or not someone making a 2/1 response promises a second bid.)
Thanks in advance.
DHL
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Posted 2005-July-29, 14:05
Double !, on Jul 29 2005, 01:52 PM, said:
This post raises an issue for me.
Assuming that the partnership is NOT playing negative free bids, does the person making the 2S bid unconditionally promise another bid? This is an issue where I have heard differing opinions such as "yes, unless opener rebids 2NT". For those of you not playing nfb's (are there any?), what are your opinions on this question. (This is sort of like the question of, playing sayc, whether or not someone making a 2/1 response promises a second bid.)
Thanks in advance.
DHL
Assuming that the partnership is NOT playing negative free bids, does the person making the 2S bid unconditionally promise another bid? This is an issue where I have heard differing opinions such as "yes, unless opener rebids 2NT". For those of you not playing nfb's (are there any?), what are your opinions on this question. (This is sort of like the question of, playing sayc, whether or not someone making a 2/1 response promises a second bid.)
Thanks in advance.
DHL
To repeat playing NFB after WJO must surely be convention abuse!
Lawrence plays a new suit here as forcing but not promising a rebid.
Same as over a one level overcall, example:1D=(1s)=2c....
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Posted 2005-July-29, 14:48
It is close between 2♠ and pass. If I have a close decision and 3 small in their suit then I usually go for the cautious route. So Pass for me.
I do expect partner to balance aggressively though (as is the style in England).
Eric
I do expect partner to balance aggressively though (as is the style in England).
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Posted 2005-July-29, 17:19
2S nf for me
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Posted 2005-August-01, 11:30
Your shape is the worst it could be after a H bid by the opps so pulling in the horns with a neg. dbl would be my choice at unf. vul. or at matchpoints. With an understanding pard I would venture 2S at imps or fav. vul. with my apologies in hand......Shortness in pard's suit is almost NEVER good unless its his 2nd suit 
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Posted 2005-August-01, 11:51
Double !, on Jul 29 2005, 06:52 PM, said:
This post raises an issue for me.
Assuming that the partnership is NOT playing negative free bids, does the person making the 2S bid unconditionally promise another bid? This is an issue where I have heard differing opinions such as "yes, unless opener rebids 2NT". For those of you not playing nfb's (are there any?), what are your opinions on this question. (This is sort of like the question of, playing sayc, whether or not someone making a 2/1 response promises a second bid.)
Thanks in advance.
DHL
Assuming that the partnership is NOT playing negative free bids, does the person making the 2S bid unconditionally promise another bid? This is an issue where I have heard differing opinions such as "yes, unless opener rebids 2NT". For those of you not playing nfb's (are there any?), what are your opinions on this question. (This is sort of like the question of, playing sayc, whether or not someone making a 2/1 response promises a second bid.)
Thanks in advance.
DHL
I play that 2♠ is forcing but doesn't promise a rebid.
Responder can pass if:
Opener rebids his suit
Opener supports with 3♠ or 4♠
Opener bids 2NT or 3NT
Responder can't pass to a new suit or a cuebid.
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