[WasWinM]

How do you bid this and more importantly, why? At this point in the auction, what do you think you know?

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[mike777]

Double,

I note 1D was not alerted, but wish it was, smile

With that said, no good/bad 2nt, partner passed, so probably they have a wk nt type hand.

[jillybean]

Could partner have somethng like this?

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[pescetom]

I know (at least) that partner has 12+ HCP and has 3- spades, 3 hearts, 4-5 diamonds, so probably 2353 or 3343.

I don't object to Jillybean's pragmatic 3NT, although it's probably going to be tough.

I assume X by South promised exactly 4 card spades (or strong hand).
What would X and 2S by North have promised in mainstream NA agreements?

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2026-September-06, 02:14, said:

I know (at least) that partner has 12+ HCP and has 3- spades, 3 hearts, 4-5 diamonds, so probably 2353 or 3343.

Doesn't partner have 2 hearts most of the time

[pescetom]

 Cyberyeti, on 2026-September-06, 03:36, said:

Doesn't partner have 2 hearts most of the time

Depends upon the opponents agreements and style, but I would expect East to have 5 and West to have only 3 most of the time (West has not much, he's basically bidding on LoTT).

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2026-September-06, 06:47, said:

Depends upon the opponents agreements and style, but I would expect East to have 5 and West to have only 3 most of the time (West has not much, he's basically bidding on LoTT).

And I have 3 leaving partner with 2

[WasWinM]

jillybean, on 2026-September-05, 20:19, said:

Could partner have somethng like this?

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Could but will he or she? The pass is pretty important, mainly with this pard, showing minimal values but not shape particularly.

[WasWinM]

pescetom, on 2026-September-06, 02:14, said:

I know (at least) that partner has 12+ HCP and has 3- spades, 3 hearts, 4-5 diamonds, so probably 2353 or 3343.

I don't object to Jillybean's pragmatic 3NT, although it's probably going to be tough.

I assume X by South promised exactly 4 card spades (or strong hand).
What would X and 2S by North have promised in mainstream NA agreements?

Vanilla agreements. 2S is simply competing with 4 spades.

[WasWinM]

This is the entire hand. The pass is hard to understand but happened.

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The 3H bid is simply forcing and asking for more information, showing doubt about the best final contract. 3S is showing good 3 card support.

[Cyberyeti]

9♠ at the start has become the J

[mike777]

 WasWinM, on 2026-September-06, 09:00, said:

This is the entire hand. The pass is hard to understand but happened.

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The 3H bid is simply forcing and asking for more information, showing doubt about the best final contract. 3S is showing good 3 card support.

Opener might
want to look up responsive doubles

[WasWinM]

Cyberyeti, on 2026-September-06, 09:19, said:

9♠ at the start has become the J

Yes, should have been that way to start.

[WasWinM]

mike777, on 2026-September-06, 10:44, said:

Opener might
want to look up responsive doubles

I've never heard of and never used responsive doubles in this situation, but that doesn't mean they're wrong, just that I'm a dinosaur.

[WasWinM]

Here is where I'm curious. After the 3S bid, how many gave even the slightest thought to playing 4S?

[mikeh]

mike777, on 2026-September-06, 10:44, said:

Opener might
want to look up responsive doubles

Why? I don’t understand that at all. Opener has various doubles at his disposal in a lot of auctions but I have never heard nor seen of any called a responsive double: a double tyst is technically used by the intervening side, not the opening side

[mike777]

WasWinM, on 2026-September-06, 20:15, said:

I've never heard of and never used responsive doubles in this situation, but that doesn't mean they're wrong, just that I'm a dinosaur.

np, what would you take double as by north over 2H?
takeout or other? I just use the phrase responsive as takeout here showing support outside of hearts, denying 4s

If not playing good/bad it seems..