[mr1303]

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Your turn to bid.

If it helps, and it probably doesn't very much, double would be penalties (although no further agreement after that) 2C shows a single suiter, 2D shows majors, 2H shows hearts and a minor.

Three level bids are undiscussed, but partner would probably play you for a weakish single suiter.

[Cyberyeti]

4♥

[P_Marlowe]

4H is ok, you could also try X.
The main problem with X is, that they will introduce spades, and you are forcing yourself to bid 5H over 4S.

[apollo1201]

4H in anticipation of a possible 4S by LHO. To rebid 5C.

There could be merits to bid 2H planning to gradually ccmpete and eventually win the auction at 5 something Xed.

The likelihood of p having a minor ace is very low (more tech or math savvy ppl will know the figure!) when 8 max.

[mw64ahw]

Playing Hello I can transfer into one suit and bid the other so
1N-2N ♣
3♣-4♥
The reverse shows values to bid at the 5-level so partner can make a judgment on a slam

[Cyberyeti]

mw64ahw, on 2026-April-23, 05:34, said:

Playing Hello I can transfer into one suit and bid the other so
1N-2N ♣
3♣-4♥
The reverse shows values to bid at the 5-level so partner can make a judgment on a slam

So this goes 1N-2N-4S so you gonna never bid AKQJxx or bid 5♥ where you can't blame partner putting you into a no play 6♣

[mw64ahw]

Weak NT may be 4♠.
I'd expect Texas to be on here. And the probability is with ~8 points left?

[Cyberyeti]

mw64ahw, on 2026-April-23, 08:48, said:

Weak NT may be 4♠.
I'd expect Texas to be on here. And the probability is with ~8 points left?

It's a strong NT, what do you expect responder to do with QJ to 8 and not much, even if Texas is on, will be at 4M before you bid.

[mw64ahw]

Cyberyeti, on 2026-April-23, 09:40, said:

It's a strong NT, what do you expect responder to do with QJ to 8 and not much, even if Texas is on, will be at 4M before you bid.

I don't tend to bid given tail events.

[Cyberyeti]

mw64ahw, on 2026-April-23, 11:35, said:

I don't tend to bid given tail events.

Hardly tail events, if I'm at the table the MINIMUM number of spades the 4th hand has is 5

[pescetom]

mr1303, on 2026-April-23, 01:04, said:

If it helps, and it probably doesn't very much, double would be penalties (although no further agreement after that) 2C shows a single suiter, 2D shows majors, 2H shows hearts and a minor.

Three level bids are undiscussed, but partner would probably play you for a weakish single suiter.

I really hate the agreements, but 2C sounds like the best place to start.

[Zelandakh]

mr1303, on 2026-April-23, 01:04, said:

If it helps, and it probably doesn't very much, double would be penalties (although no further agreement after that) 2C shows a single suiter, 2D shows majors, 2H shows hearts and a minor.

In ye olde days, a 2NT overcall was reserved for a strong 2-suiter. It was almost never used so many pairs procured it for other uses, such as both minors. When Multi-Landy first started getting popular, it was not so unusual to include the strong 2-suiter as the strong variant in a typical Multi structure. An auction like (1NT) - 2♦ - (P) - 2♥; (P) - 4♣ then becomes clubs and a major, similar to Leaping Michaels over a Weak 2♦ opening. But of course, bridge players being who they are, only the easy/common half of the convention made it into popular usage. Of course you can do precisely the same with Pottage/Capp/Hamilton - just substitute 2♣ for 2♦. If you don't like that, just hold your nose and bid 4♥.

[mw64ahw]

Cyberyeti, on 2026-April-23, 12:00, said:

Hardly tail events, if I'm at the table the MINIMUM number of spades the 4th hand has is 5

Why? do you discount partner having something like 6xx3

[mikeh]

P_Marlowe, on 2026-April-23, 02:48, said:

4H is ok, you could also try X.
The main problem with X is, that they will introduce spades, and you are forcing yourself to bid 5H over 4S.

The main problem with double is that they may make 1N doubled while you make 5H.

This is a routine 4H. Even if partner has a round suit ace we’re never bidding slam while knowing what we’re doing, so stop fantasizing. We have an easy 4H followed, in the relatively unlikely event they compete to 4S with either 5H or 5C.

At imps I’d bid 5C but at mps I’d bid 5H. 5H is clearly not as safe…a very bad trump break or a club ruff beats us n hands where 5C makes, and partner will usually take us back to 5H when 5C fails.

[Cyberyeti]

mw64ahw, on 2026-April-23, 15:29, said:

Why? do you discount partner having something like 6xx3

Sorry, I got 2 hands mixed up, thought he was a passed hand, we open 5 card weak 2s. I still think it's correct in that circumstance. I have it easier here playing asptro and could overcall 2♣ hearts and another, intending to bid any number of clubs up to 5 next. I think it's close between that approach and 4♥. The advantage of asptro is that if opps don't compete and partner bids 2♥ I have a chance to find a slam opposite a useful ace and the grand opposite 2.

[mw64ahw]

Cyberyeti, on 2026-April-24, 02:33, said:

Sorry, I got 2 hands mixed up, thought he was a passed hand, we open 5 card weak 2s. I still think it's correct in that circumstance. I have it easier here playing asptro and could overcall 2♣ hearts and another, intending to bid any number of clubs up to 5 next. I think it's close between that approach and 4♥. The advantage of asptro is that if opps don't compete and partner bids 2♥ I have a chance to find a slam opposite a useful ace and the grand opposite 2.

There's one player I play asptro with, on request, over a weak NT, but then they have a tendency to forget.
In this situation I'd blast 4♥.
In either of my more established strong NT partnerships I'd still bid 2NT (Clubs), although 2♦ as a ♥ transfer followed by 4♣/4♥ also works.

[apollo1201]

 mw64ahw, on 2026-April-24, 02:58, said:

although 2♦ as a ♥ transfer followed by 4♣/4♥ also works.

Except when partner plays it smart / safe / whatever adjective you want and passes with xxxx - Kxxxxx xxx and opps do not rescue you. I guess the bid is unlimited and is uncondionnally forcing, but why play with fire.

[mw64ahw]

apollo1201, on 2026-April-24, 03:12, said:

Except when partner plays it smart / safe / whatever adjective you want and passes with xxxx - Kxxxxx xxx and opps do not rescue you. I guess the bid is unlimited and is uncondionnally forcing, but why play with fire.

Yep that's a downside, but I do have to the T♦ in support
I'll have to go back and look at my notes to see what we have for bids above 3N and see if Id included any options