[pilun]

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3♥ = 6-1-3-3
4♦ = 7 QPs (3/2/1)
4N = ♠ - yes, ♦ - 0/4+ QP (so 0 this time)
5♦ = ♣ - 0/4+ QP, so A-Q.
5♠ = ?

With DCB, we switch to positive cueing (PCB) with singletons.
Our agreement with stiff honours devalues K & Q:
A = 3 QP
K = 1 QP, then cue to show it
Q = 0 QP, then ignore?

So this is the question.

DO you ignore stiff queens completely? Or
Do ignore them when counting QP but still cue them as stiff A/K/Q?

[mw64ahw]

Not an approach I use, but I wouldn't ignore them completely. Valuing then depends on whether partner has bid the suit and you can identify value.

[awm]

We do not ignore stiff queens at all, so I suppose I cannot answer this question.

[pilun]

awm, on 2026-February-17, 11:16, said:

We do not ignore stiff queens at all, so I suppose I cannot answer this question.

Thanks for that.
Sounds like you treat stiff A/K/Q at full value and show them.
It would take a lot of time to playtest all this.

[awm]

What we've recently decided to do, which is quite opposed to some other players here, is to not only count singleton honours at full value in the RPs but to scan the singleton FIRST. We stop if holding a singleton A/K/Q and skip if holding no honour (reverse of what we usually do).

[foobar]

awm, on 2026-February-18, 11:23, said:

What we've recently decided to do, which is quite opposed to some other players here, is to not only count singleton honours at full value in the RPs but to scan the singleton FIRST. We stop if holding a singleton A/K/Q and skip if holding no honour (reverse of what we usually do).

Wow, this seems really interesting. Can you please share the details with insights from specific hands if possible?

[ynhhyjb]

pilun, on 2026-February-17, 04:41, said:

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3♥ = 6-1-3-3
4♦ = 7 QPs (3/2/1)
4N = ♠ - yes, ♦ - 0/4+ QP (so 0 this time)
5♦ = ♣ - 0/4+ QP, so A-Q.
5♠ = ?

With DCB, we switch to positive cueing (PCB) with singletons.
Our agreement with stiff honours devalues K & Q:
A = 3 QP
K = 1 QP, then cue to show it
Q = 0 QP, then ignore?

So this is the question.

DO you ignore stiff queens completely? Or
Do ignore them when counting QP but still cue them as stiff A/K/Q?

I play relay precision,I'll share my method
3♥ = 6-1-3-3
4♦ = 4 KPs (KP,A=2KP,K=1KP)
4N = ♠=yes(♠A), ♦ =0/3 KP (♦=0,♣=2KP,4-2=2,♣A)
5♦ = no ♠Q
5♠ = no ♦Q
5NT:relay;6♥ =♣Q,stiff♥Q/♥K or ♥J no ♦J
7NT:TP
6+ suits do no scan J and a single suit scans stiff K/Q and J

[foobar]

pilun, on 2026-February-17, 04:41, said:

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3♥ = 6-1-3-3
4♦ = 7 QPs (3/2/1)
4N = ♠ - yes, ♦ - 0/4+ QP (so 0 this time)
5♦ = ♣ - 0/4+ QP, so A-Q.
5♠ = ?

With DCB, we switch to positive cueing (PCB) with singletons.
Our agreement with stiff honours devalues K & Q:
A = 3 QP
K = 1 QP, then cue to show it
Q = 0 QP, then ignore?

So this is the question.

DO you ignore stiff queens completely? Or
Do ignore them when counting QP but still cue them as stiff A/K/Q?

Playing KKR, the bidding will go:

...3♥ (6=1=3=3) - 3♠ ®
...4♦ (4 AK) - 4♥ (DCB)
...4N (♠ A/K, AK ♦ or none) - 5♣ (DCB)
...5♦ (no Q♠) - 5♥ -> Note that with singleton or void, KKR scans only two suits
...5♠ (no Q♦) - 5N (DCB)
...6♦, Q♣ and not stiff K♥, so clearly Axxxxx x xxx AQx

On this hand, it seems like the systemic decision to not scan stiff Qs precludes us going beyond the 6-level. In fact, as declarer West must be a little concerned about an opening ♣ lead through AQx.