[whereagles]

Matchpoints, none vuln, intermediate opps. You hold

♠ K9x
♥ ATx
♦ KQ
♣ 9xxxx

Pard RHO you LHO
1♠....pass..4♣...dbl
4♦.....4♥...pass.pass
dbl...pass.pass.5♣
dbl....5♦....??

4♣ = swiss raise. Balanced support, 12+ hcp, no club wastage
dbl of 4♣ = penalty, but from doubler's pard face, you realize he took it as take-out
4♦ = range inquiry
pass to 4♥ = bad 12-13 hcp
dbl of 4♥ and 5♣ for penalties

Your options are:
1. Pass (forcing), encourages pard to bid 5♠
2. Double, penalties
3. 5♠, good playing strenght, usually a 4th trump

Your bid?

[helene_t]

Dbl. Partner expects me to have four spades so I must discourage.

[coyot]

Dbl. I can see two sure tricks in my hand, one spade is likely - and unless my p has a great hand for offensive, we will be happy for any plus score as making 5♠ seems very unlikely.

Especially when you "see" that the opps have had a misunderstanding, they will be playing 5♦ with a likely 7-9card fit in diamonds . LOTT is clear here. Unless p has 7 spades, it should be fairly safe that if 5♠ makes, 5♦ goes down 3+

[Blofeld]

Very happy doubling.

[P_Marlowe]

Dbl, nothing else is worth considering.

Partner may still bid on, in which case he would
show slam interest, altough i doubt it, that he will.
because of his previous double.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[bearmum]

whereagles, on Jul 22 2005, 11:28 PM, said:

Matchpoints, none vuln, intermediate opps. You hold

♠ K9x
♥ ATx
♦ KQ
♣ 9xxxx

Pard RHO you LHO
1♠....pass..4♣...dbl
4♦.....4♥...pass.pass
dbl...pass.pass.5♣
dbl....5♦....??

4♣ = swiss raise. Balanced support, 12+ hcp, no club wastage
dbl of 4♣ = penalty, but from doubler's pard face, you realize he took it as take-out
4♦ = range inquiry
pass to 4♥ = bad 12-13 hcp
dbl of 4♥ and 5♣ for penalties

Your options are:
1. Pass (forcing), encourages pard to bid 5♠
2. Double, penalties
3. 5♠, good playing strenght, usually a 4th trump

Your bid?

WOW why in the WORLD did I bid 4♣ originally is really MINIMUM for the bid (as I understand it )

NOW IMHO the less objectionable of the alternatives is X because all else I really HATE

[mike777]

whereagles, on Jul 22 2005, 05:28 AM, said:

Matchpoints, none vuln, intermediate opps. You hold

♠ K9x
♥ ATx
♦ KQ
♣ 9xxxx

Pard RHO you LHO
1♠....pass..4♣...dbl
4♦.....4♥...pass.pass
dbl...pass.pass.5♣
dbl....5♦....??

4♣ = swiss raise. Balanced support, 12+ hcp, no club wastage
dbl of 4♣ = penalty, but from doubler's pard face, you realize he took it as take-out
4♦ = range inquiry
pass to 4♥ = bad 12-13 hcp
dbl of 4♥ and 5♣ for penalties

Your options are:
1. Pass (forcing), encourages pard to bid 5♠
2. Double, penalties
3. 5♠, good playing strenght, usually a 4th trump

Your bid?

Must admit this is a 1nt (semi-force) followed by 3s limit raise with 3 card support for me. In fact I could see partner passing 1nt or us going down in 3s.

I am unclear what 4Clubs means. 12-30 hcp and 3+spades and lousy clubs with a semi or balanced hand?

In your style why not double 4h? I guess you need to pass to show your hcp range?

In any event I hope I am allowed to X now?

btw my basic understanding of swiss is that is shows 13-15 hcp, balanced hand with 4 card support.

AQXX=KJXX=AXX=XX

4C promises at least 2 of top 3 honors in trump quality or shows 3 aces or 2 aces and the K of trumps.
4D denies.

Perhaps yours is a more enlightened version.

[han]

It seems that our questionable call has turned to our advantage. The double of 4C was probably meant as lead-directing, but the partner misuderstood, even when they were ""rescued" to 5C. I expect that 5D doubled will be a very good score.

[beatrix45]

There must be a story here, but I'm just going to play it straight. 75% of my high cards are in RHO's suits, and my playing strength in spades is sub-minimum for my prior bidding. Must be time to double.

By the way, what is RHO up to??? The way I read your posting, LHO made a lead directing double of 4♣, then RHO, after passing over one ♠, started bidding like a sandbagger with 11 or 12 red cards.

[Double !]

Double !..........I don't know what P is expecting by his range 4D bid, but I have wasted honors in diamonds (if that's the opps suit) and less offense than initially thought. Since my pass of 4H already showed my range, I would suspect a pass at this point would imply nothing in the suit to tell about, no wasted values.

with this as my reasoning, i put a red card onthe table.

[the hog]

The way I understand Swiss, this should show 4 card support, as I made a poor call originally on a hand wth no real redeeming features, I can now recover by doubling.

[whereagles]

This particular swiss raise was not the standard one. In this case support of 3-card to an honor with side doubleton was allowed. The main point of the bid is to show strong support and a club suit good to play opposite a singleton.

[helene_t]

Funny convention, but do you call that "Swiss"? I would prefer to make up some other name for it.

[whereagles]

Well, it looks like a swiss raise, in the sense it's a strong balanced hand with support.

I cooked it up myself, so you can call it the where-raise if you prefer

[mike777]

whereagles, on Jul 23 2005, 07:05 AM, said:

Well, it looks like a swiss raise, in the sense it's a strong balanced hand with support.

I cooked it up myself, so you can call it the where-raise if you prefer 

Hand evaulation is often a funny thing.
Here Whereagles is making a slam try of 4c with his partners and I am worried we could go down in 3S with mine.

[Chamaco]

Double

[han]

beatrix45, on Jul 23 2005, 12:18 AM, said:

By the way, what is RHO up to??? The way I read your posting, LHO made a lead directing double of 4♣, then RHO, after passing over one ♠, started bidding like a sandbagger with 11 or 12 red cards.

RHO is not up to anything, but is just being dumb. At least, that's what I suspect.

[whereagles]

Well, RHO did actually have a 12-card two suiter!!! The full hand was:

Scoring: MP

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As you can see, 6♦ is unbeatable(!!).

At table the South player doubled, like most of us would. North wasn't too happy about it, but I don't think he's right. North was so thirsty for blood, hoping to capitalize on a mix-up of E/W, that he forgot to bid the hand properly. He could have bid 4S instead of doubling 4H, and he could have taken out the double to 5S, on account of his extra trump and good playing strenght.

[the hog]

Well part of the result is the [edit ui] Swiss response in the first place, Anyone who plays [ui] this has no right complaining when the opps make a slam based on power following our slam exploratory auction....

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

well they had a mixe up, but got lucky landing on their feet,
I am not sure, it is right to assume RHO has a 6-6-1 shape,
so ... happens, move on.

Marlowe