[mike777]

geller, on Jul 18 2005, 07:36 PM, said:

For what it's worth, here's the actual hand. 

Dealer: South Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP

♠ Q765 ♥ T43 ♦ T763 ♣ 42 ♠ T2 ♥ AKQ652 ♦ 5 ♣ AKJ8 ♠   ♥ J98 ♦ KQJ84 ♣ T7653 ♠ AKJ9843 ♥ 7 ♦ A92 ♣ Q9

As usual it is partner's second bid of x over 4s that causes the problem. What the heck is that second x over our free 4D bid. As usual on forum it is partner who has the problem bid, not us.

No surprises here, partner hand was 1444 and opening hand or 16+ off shape hand for first double.

4nt or 4s gets you to slam over first x.

[geller]

If the full hand instead had been

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♣
then presumably West makes a FAST double, so East can pass and collect 300 rather than bid 5♣ and go for 500. Scientific bidding!

[mike777]

geller, on Jul 18 2005, 08:17 PM, said:

If the full hand instead had been

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♣
then presumably West makes a FAST double, so East can pass and collect 300 rather than bid 5♣ and go for 500. Scientific bidding!

clear 2h bid with that hand, not takeout double Just bid your hand

[han]

Agree, partner can't possibly have that hand.

[pclayton]

Late coming in here...

To the 1st issue - what to do over 3S? I like a responsive double which should show the minors to 'x' level. 4D sounds too one suited to me.

What's pard's 2nd double? Well, it doesn't show the hand posted that's for sure. I'd take it as 'better than a minimum' and no more than 3D's. What are our 1N overcalls? If standard, then this double should clarify his hand to show a good 14 or so although I'm afraid he has the 18-19 variety where 6 could be really good. He can't have a great trump stack here.

I'm a puller and I think I like 4N to show secondary clubs although 5C as sensible as well. I don't think I like a direct 4N because it gives up on heart contracts.

If I make a responsive double on the 1st round and pard now doubles I will sit, having bid my hand.

[mgtusi]

This hand is a pure example about how the level of the auction affect the judgment.

With the same hand, what did you bid after 1♠ DOUBLE 2♠ ?

4NT ???

I don't think so ! 3 ♦ looks enough, no ?

That's why, perhaps against everyone I guess, I should pass over 3 ♠.
Assuming this 4 ♦ bid (which would be my second choice), I firmly pass over my partner's double, which must show a 18-20 count certainly with some trumps.
I think we're going to score a big plus.

Well of course with the actual hand revealing, I bid 6 ♣

Michel