[Deanrover]

Am playing at a table with 3 GIBs at the moment! Can't see how to select your convention card or how to see/select your opponents

This has a lot of potential - especially for partnership bidding.

Kudos to Fred, Uday and Gerardo!

[Rain]

I am not sure if GIB scores should be compared with the general BBOers. Maybe compare, yes, but don't let it affect scores? With GIB you can see all boards before you play, making comparison not meaningful.....

Cool though. Very cool! How much is it going to cost Fred?

[Deanrover]

This has potential to make tournaments run much more smoothly - very exciting!

[Deanrover]

Implementing the "Claim" function which works very well in Gib proper would be great.

In the partnership bidding area you can't click the "GIB" button to adjust his (her?) speed. Also you don't seem to be able to set your system or GIB's which would be very valuable.

The partnership bidding is very temperemental. I am trying it out with Beto right now, and it only works on half the hands, have to "redeal" the rest.

GIB doesn't explain its bids. When you click on one for an explanation it asks you to explain!

Don't seem to be able to include GIB in teams matches. This would be a great addition.

[bearmum]

Deanrover, on Jul 17 2005, 11:35 AM, said:

Am playing at a table with 3 GIBs at the moment! Can't see how to select your convention card or how to see/select your opponents

This has a lot of potential - especially for partnership bidding.

Kudos to Fred, Uday and Gerardo!

are they "GIB"s

as in really sophisticated (and expensive ) robots ? which have CC s available?

[hrothgar]

Have we learned nothing from the Terminator and Battlestar Galatica? It is extremely dangerous to allow Bots free reign of any environment. Its only a matter of time before they break lose from human control and seek to destroy us all.

DESTROY US ALL...
DESTROY US ALL...
DESTROY US ALL...

Its terrifying that a computer professional like Fred would make such a basic mistake.

[scoob]

we only have to worry about that if the server is struck by lightning

[pigpenz]

GIB....if you play with it long enough it will come up with some real strange bids.

Maybe we could come up with a GIB individual, all GIB's sitting N,E,W, and humans sitting south.

[fred]

pigpenz, on Jul 17 2005, 04:05 PM, said:

GIB....if you play with it long enough it will come up with some real strange bids.

Maybe we could come up with a GIB individual, all GIB's sitting N,E,W, and humans sitting south.

There are all sorts of ideas like this that we will probably implement during the next few months.

Team matches against a team of GIBs (or with 2 human pairs each teaming up with a pair of GIBs) is another idea with a lot of potential.

Another interesting possibility involves tables with 2 humans, each playing with a GIB as their partner. If we disallowed kibitzers at such a table it would be nearly impossible to cheat. We might even let people play rubber bridge for real money under these cicumstances.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[hrothgar]

fred, on Jul 17 2005, 09:10 PM, said:

pigpenz, on Jul 17 2005, 04:05 PM, said:

GIB....if you play with it long enough it will come up with some real strange bids.

Maybe we could come up with a GIB individual, all GIB's sitting N,E,W, and humans sitting south.

There are all sorts of ideas like this that we will probably implement during the next few months.

Team matches against a team of GIBs (or with 2 human pairs each teaming up with a pair of GIBs) is another idea with a lot of potential.

Another interesting possibility involves tables with 2 humans, each playing with a GIB as their partner. If we disallowed kibitzers at such a table it would be nearly impossible to cheat. We might even let people play rubber bridge for real money under these cicumstances.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

Three quick comments:

1. Using GIBs to decease variance and eliminating cheating in events is an interesting idea. In particular, I like the idea of running Indy tournaments using GIBs as North/East with humans competing as South and West

2. The rubber bridge is also a nice idea. With this said and done, you should consult with some lawyers about the regulations involved in running a sports books. I know that the online poker sites are typically incorporated outside the US. Some owners have given up US citizenship.

3. On earlier occasions you mentioned that you wanted to develop/promote BBO Advanced as some kind of standard bidding system. I know that this has slipped in priority. With this said and done, you will need to select a bidding system for the GIBs to use. Perhaps this ideas time has come arround again...

[mike777]

hrothgar, on Jul 17 2005, 06:51 AM, said:

Have we learned nothing from the Terminator and Battlestar Galatica?  It is extremely dangerous to allow Bots free reign of any environment.  Its only a matter of time before they break lose from human control and seek to destroy us all. 

DESTROY US ALL...
DESTROY US ALL...
DESTROY US ALL...

Its terrifying that a computer professional like Fred would make such a basic mistake.

You must have missed the crucial scenes.
The will not destroy us.
We will comingle, make babies and evolve.
Just as laws evolve and are shaped by moralistic impulses, so shall bots, bridge and babies.
Repeat after me Variance is good. Our survival is in the outliers not the mean.

[rona_]

Signed up to play in a tournament with a partner, and we opened an invisible teaching table to play with the bots. The tournament started without us and we got messages that "the player is playing in another tournament" Did the bots do that?

[sceptic]

I was playing with GIb's and I asked what a bid meant, they refused to answer, should I report them to abuse?

[Kaapo]

Do we also see GIBs kibbitzing (gibbitzing?) at the tables? And, more importantly, do GIBs commentate at Vugraph broadcasts in near future?

But, more seriously, GIB seems to be a nice (although not so important) feature - at least to play with now and then.

[fred]

Kaapo, on Jul 17 2005, 09:59 PM, said:

Do we also see GIBs kibbitzing (gibbitzing?) at the tables? And, more importantly, do GIBs commentate at Vugraph broadcasts in near future?

But, more seriously, GIB seems to be a nice (although not so important) feature - at least to play with now and then.

During today's vugraph Walddk would occasionally ask GIB what it would have bid or played. I personally found this to be interesting. He was careful to emphasize the difference between GIB's analysis (which is single dummy) and Deep Finesse's analysis (which is double dummy).

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[luke warm]

this is simply awesome... oh, richard... i'm sure fred insisted on the 3 laws of gibotics to be incorporated into gib's hard wiring

[mrdct]

Rain, on Jul 16 2005, 05:47 PM, said:

I am not sure if GIB scores should be compared with the general BBOers. Maybe compare, yes, but don't let it affect scores? With GIB you can see all boards before you play, making comparison not meaningful....

I assume GIB makes all of its decisions on a single-dummy basis and doesn't "peek" at other players' cards.

One thing I have noticed is that GIB is really slow. I think that if it were to become a pay-for-use service, some more meaty computer processing power will need to be dedicated to GIB to have it play more in tempo.

[keylime]

Battlestar Galactica rocks. Best show on TV.

With regards to the CPU issue, agreed with Dave - unless you have it basically cranked at maximum it becomes a drag to get done.

Richard's ideas are as usual, sharp, cutting-edged, and often correct in scope.

[pigpenz]

mrdct, on Jul 17 2005, 06:22 PM, said:

Rain, on Jul 16 2005, 05:47 PM, said:

I am not sure if GIB scores should be compared with the general BBOers. Maybe compare, yes, but don't let it affect scores? With GIB you can see all boards before you play, making comparison not meaningful....

I assume GIB makes all of its decisions on a single-dummy basis and doesn't "peek" at other players' cards.

One thing I have noticed is that GIB is really slow. I think that if it were to become a pay-for-use service, some more meaty computer processing power will need to be dedicated to GIB to have it play more in tempo.

just turn up the speed buttons and see how easy it isnt to count the hands

[pigpenz]

fred, on Jul 17 2005, 01:10 PM, said:

pigpenz, on Jul 17 2005, 04:05 PM, said:

GIB....if you play with it long enough it will come up with some real strange bids.

Maybe we could come up with a GIB individual, all GIB's sitting N,E,W, and humans sitting south.

There are all sorts of ideas like this that we will probably implement during the next few months.

Team matches against a team of GIBs (or with 2 human pairs each teaming up with a pair of GIBs) is another idea with a lot of potential.

Another interesting possibility involves tables with 2 humans, each playing with a GIB as their partner. If we disallowed kibitzers at such a table it would be nearly impossible to cheat. We might even let people play rubber bridge for real money under these cicumstances.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

or have a team game where you and a friend are playing say both North and the everyone else is GIBS I tried to set up a team game earlier and do that but it isnt implemented in that.

Or a True individual where North, West , and East are all GIB's and the only humans are south. It would be interesting for this to see the travellers.