[omeroj]

THE BID START BY YOU:
PASS 1♦ X PASS
1♥ 1♠ X PASS
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What do you bid on second dbl of your p?

Scoring: IMP

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Tks for answers Omero

[ochinko]

Partner is 3=3=3=4 or 3=3=2=5. 2C looks right.

Petko

[luis]

Pass, pd has spades.

[inquiry]

Ok, I have a good hand for bidding. Let's dismiss pass. Responder has some spades for his pass. Partner can hardly have enough spades and be short enough in diamonds for this double to be left in with only two spades in my hand. After all, they rate to have at least eight and likely 9 card diamond fit if partner is sitting on a spade stack.

Let's also dismiss weak sounding bids like 1NT and 2♣. This hand is a monster given the bidding so far. So that leaves, hedge bids. like cue-bid, 2NT, and a jump to 3♣ and just blasting away to 3NT. I think the only way to show your hand here is a direct NT bid, and 1NT is not enough. I would bid 3NT, but would accept a natural 2NT as a reasonable alternative.

[hrothgar]

Also in the pass camp...
Partner has a strong hand and my Hearts didn't interest him.
He should be sitting on good Spades.

White versus White I prefer to punish them...
If they retreat to Diamonds there is still time to bid NT

[flytoox]

Pd has about 18+ balanced hand. I bid 2N to invite. 3N is not a bad shoot. 2C is completely wrong in strength.

[coyot]

Definitely pass... partner must have 15+ with good spades.
There is absolutely NO NEED for takeout when there is only one suit remaining.
With balanced strong hands, he has the following actions:
1NT directly 15-17
1NT now as a rebid 18-19
2NT now as 20-22

If he is 18+ with anything, he has the easy 2♦ cuebid if he lacks stoppers.

[omeroj]

Tks you all for the answers, i hope to see other votes;)

Omero

[awm]

I think partner's double shows extra values. Most likely hand involves something like 15 (or more) points with only three-card support for hearts. Since the double's not pure penalty, and the opponents surely have a 7-card spade fit and probably a better fit in diamonds, I don't think pass is a particularly good option. With a terrible hand I probably bid 2♣ or 2♥ here. The decision seems to be between 1NT and 2NT as best I can tell.

I'll play it slow with 1NT; I don't think partner guarantees more than 15 or so and I'd rather play 1NT than two opposite that (especially with only one diamond stopper). Surely the 1NT call doesn't show a yarborough, and partner can raise to 2NT with a really huge hand (like 18 or more). Certainly I would also bid 1NT on a slightly weaker hand (say xx Qxxx Kxx xxxx) and seven points must be the top of the range, but I'd hate to hear 2NT get passed out.

[Winstonm]

Seems pretty clear that partner is 4324 or 4315 and is alerting you to his good hand, his shape, and his so-so fit for hearts. Partner is not expecting to play 1S but is prepared to - he's trying to help you decide what to do over the coming 2D bid from your RHO.

WinstonM

[whereagles]

I bid 3NT. Should make, unless pard likes feather-weight doubles. (In which case I bid 1NT)

[FrancesHinden]

If I trust partner, I pass. He doubled for penalties.
Ben trusts his RHO more than partner (which could be quite valid in some situations, of course...)

[whereagles]

Pard may be doubling for penalties, but he also may be just showing cards. I'm not going to wait until the end of the hand to find out.

[helene_t]

This is not a penalty double. Partner probably has four spades so pass may be right but I don't think so. 2NT or 3NT.

[coyot]

whereagles, on Jul 14 2005, 05:32 AM, said:

Pard may be doubling for penalties, but he also may be just showing cards. I'm not going to wait until the end of the hand to find out.

Why would partner be "showing cards" against my weak response?

I know that he is not extra strong (18+) as he would cuebid opener's first suit now.

I know he does not have 4 hearts (he would raise to 3♥).

He knows that I have 0-8 HCP with 4+hearts.

With 15-17HCP he may freely pass as I will 100% double 1♠ for takeout if I happen to have 6+HCP, I will 100% bid 2♥ if I have 5card and 4HCP, I will 100% bid 1NT if I have 7-8 HCP with some stoppers.

This seems to be the typical case where people forget that they have a partner that is not stupid .

[helene_t]

I think partner's double shows something like a 4324 with 17(16)+ HCPs. He would not cuebid with such a hand because I must still have the option of bidding 2♣ if I have nothing. A cuebid would probably be a constructive hearts raise.

[P_Marlowe]

3C.

If he is interested in the diamond
stopper, he can ask for it.

Marlowe

[coyot]

helene_t, on Jul 14 2005, 05:48 AM, said:

I think partner's double shows something like a 4324 with 17(16)+ HCPs. He would not cuebid with such a hand because I must still have the option of bidding 2♣ if I have nothing. A cuebid would probably be a constructive hearts raise.

Wouldn't 3♥ be constructive heart raise? No need to block, simple fit showing would be 2♥.

If partner is strong enough to be interested in 4-4 club fit against weak hand (0-4(5)), he can afford to push me to 3rd level by 2♦ cuebid. If he has mere 17 HCP with flat shape and no diamond stopper, he can't expect any good contract to be found unless I am willing to speak over 1♠ on my own.

[whereagles]

coyot, on Jul 14 2005, 10:42 AM, said:

whereagles, on Jul 14 2005, 05:32 AM, said:

Pard may be doubling for penalties, but he also may be just showing cards. I'm not going to wait until the end of the hand to find out.

Why would partner be "showing cards" against my weak response?

I know that he is not extra strong (18+) as he would cuebid opener's first suit now.

I know he does not have 4 hearts (he would raise to 3♥).

He knows that I have 0-8 HCP with 4+hearts.

With 15-17HCP he may freely pass as I will 100% double 1♠ for takeout if I happen to have 6+HCP, I will 100% bid 2♥ if I have 5card and 4HCP, I will 100% bid 1NT if I have 7-8 HCP with some stoppers.

This seems to be the typical case where people forget that they have a partner that is not stupid .

You're making a series of assumptions that run a very serious risk of catching partner on a different wavelength. It's not a case of partner being stupid or not, it's just that he may be viewing the situation in a different way. You have to cater for that, otherwise you'll be just another unlucky expert

So, unless you are 100% sure that you agreed with pard this particular double is for penalties, you'd be better off going for a contract of 1NT (or 2 or 3), which should have a good play for, rather than embarking on the nebulous enterprise of defending 1S doubled.

Even if the double is for penalties, it's not a certainty you'll get a good score from it. There are just too many "ifs" for me to pass. That's at least my opinion

[luke warm]

i think the x is penalty, and i think i'll bid 3nt... reason is, i think our game will be worth more than the set.. could be wrong, of course