[mike777]

BW July 2005
Imps both vul.
KJ42=9872=A=KQT9

1H=P=1S=2D
2H=?

1) What is your bid and why?
2) Do you believe there is an European style versus USA style choice of bid and which do you think is superior and why?

[Blofeld]

Looks misfittish.

I'll pass, though I've no real idea if that's the right action.

[Double !]

Man, I hope P has decent diamonds for his 2-level overcall.
I bid 2♠, just might raise to 3 should Partner rebid 2NT. I play sound overcalls. This is a deck of cards with 60HCP, and opps are light and distributional.

I think............................

[Winstonm]

I don't know if anyone plays it, but this sure looks like a good case for playing that ELC can include responder's suit. Double then pull clubs to diamonds to show:

AQxx, x, KQJ9xx, xx

Hard otherwise to get to the spade game.

WinstonM

[luke warm]

this is a tough one... i'm not sure how pard would take 2S.. i think i'll double and start ducking the flame darts

[civill]

Double !, on Jun 23 2005, 03:48 PM, said:

Man, I hope P has decent diamonds for his 2-level overcall.
I bid 2♠, just might raise to 3 should Partner rebid 2NT.  I play sound overcalls.  This is a deck of cards with 60HCP, and opps are light and distributional.

I think............................

IMO 1♠ is a reluctant response,2♥ may a simple rebid means 6 card and 12~13 HCP.I must believe my PD and the 2♦.
Only dbl is an suitable option to me.

[mr1303]

I've got length in opponents suit. My spades look worthless with them being bid on my left. Hence I pass. I want nothing to do with this auction

[whereagles]

Very hard problem. The hand should be ours, but yet we have no clear bid... so according to Robson/Segal, I guess this means DOUBLE (whatever that means.. lol)

[mike777]

whereagles, on Jun 24 2005, 03:36 AM, said:

Very hard problem. The hand should be ours, but yet we have no clear bid... so according to Robson/Segal, I guess this means DOUBLE (whatever that means.. lol)

Yes, that was my point of question 2.
My understanding is x is often "takeoutish" in Europe but 100% penalty in USA. I was wondering if this is perhaps the next big change coming in USA bridge. The elimination of low level penalty doubles in almost all situations.

[luke warm]

i think the low level penalty double has a bad name...

[dogsbreath]

i dont think my p bids 2D here on tram-tickets.
X is penalty and looks like a fair shot.. where are their tricks on my trump lead(S)
I think pass is for wimps
Rgds Dog

[Winstonm]

It sounds as if partner holds a pre-emptive diamond hand too flat for him to feel comfortable bidding a vulnerable 3D. I would not be suprised if all he holds is:

xx, xx, KQJ109xx, xx.

Even with a slightly better hand, it is almost impossible to imagine a hand he might hold without long and very good diamonds. If this is the case, then the highest we most likely need to be is what I bid: 3D.

WinstonM

[mcphee]

doesn't dble show C, it would for me although it is generally 5. I have to take some action here and dble is the only thing that looks sensible to me. If partner has made a 2 level o/c with trash it's their problem to deal with.

[cherdano]

Winstonm, on Jun 25 2005, 12:44 PM, said:

It sounds as if partner holds a pre-emptive diamond hand too flat for him to feel comfortable bidding a vulnerable 3D. I would not be suprised if all he holds is:

xx, xx, KQJ109xx, xx.

I would be surprised. Very much so. That would be like opening 1M instead of a weak two because you have too few points.

Arend

[mike777]

Ok
1) Wondered how many played x as takeout here.
2) Wondered what people bid if they played x as penalty here.