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Posted 2022-October-08, 11:32

This hand was held by my LHO yesterday:

AK852
A96
KQ5
AT

After two passes RHO opens 3. Your call?
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Posted 2022-October-08, 12:30

View PostAL78, on 2022-October-08, 11:32, said:

This hand was held by my LHO yesterday:

AK852
A96
KQ5
AT

After two passes RHO opens 3. Your call?

3NT. Hamman's rule in action.
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Posted 2022-October-08, 12:44

View PostAL78, on 2022-October-08, 11:32, said:

This hand was held by my LHO yesterday:
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After two passes RHO opens 3. Your call?


I'm already confused. Am I you or your LHO and if the latter did I really pass? B-)
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Posted 2022-October-08, 13:00

View Postsfi, on 2022-October-08, 12:30, said:

3NT. Hamman's rule in action.

same bid as transfer to club then 4

is that haman? or just general t/o?
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Posted 2022-October-08, 13:03

View Postpescetom, on 2022-October-08, 12:44, said:

I'm already confused. Am I you or your LHO and if the latter did I really pass? B-)

i think the biding go
pass pass 3 ? the "weak hand with 4 ace and....
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Posted 2022-October-08, 13:10

View PostAL78, on 2022-October-08, 11:32, said:

This hand was held by my LHO yesterday:

AK852
A96
KQ5
AT

After two passes RHO opens 3. Your call?

--looking again seem LHO open a forcing pas X+ HCP if it was spread its 15+ point
then 3 show single suit club with 10+ point
1=3=2=7 ..or 1=2=3=7
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Posted 2022-October-08, 13:22

View Postmichel444, on 2022-October-08, 13:00, said:

same bid as transfer to club then 4

is that haman? or just general t/o?

Hamman's Rule is a well-known bridge maxim: "If you have a choice of bids and one of the options is 3NT, bid 3NT."
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Posted 2022-October-08, 14:39

View Postpescetom, on 2022-October-08, 12:44, said:

I'm already confused. Am I you or your LHO and if the latter did I really pass? B-)


You are my LHO. Your LHO (my partner) starts with pass, your partner passes, I open 3 on your right, your turn.



You are East.
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Posted 2022-October-08, 14:49

View PostAL78, on 2022-October-08, 14:39, said:

You are my LHO. Your LHO (my partner) starts with pass, your partner passes, I open 3 on your right, your turn.



You are East.


Thanks.
In that case I too reluctantly bid 3NT.
Could easily be wrong, preempts work.
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Posted 2022-October-09, 03:25

This is the full deal. Our opponents got into a mess.



This went two down for the only plus score our way. Hamman's rule works well here, 3NT makes nine tricks double dummy (although two pairs made 11 tricks). 4 is also there though difficult to bid.
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Posted 2022-October-09, 04:09

View PostAL78, on 2022-October-09, 03:25, said:

This is the full deal. Our opponents got into a mess.



This went two down for the only plus score our way. Hamman's rule works well here, 3NT makes nine tricks double dummy (although two pairs made 11 tricks). 4 is also there though difficult to bid.


I think you make 11 in NT unless a club is led as you have time to knock out S's 2 cards then squeeze N in hearts and clubs, although the timing is a bit awkward.

Note the winning (but I suspect not best) action is to pass the double and find the club ruff for +500
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Posted 2022-October-09, 05:45

View PostAL78, on 2022-October-09, 03:25, said:

This is the full deal. Our opponents got into a mess.



This went two down for the only plus score our way. Hamman's rule works well here, 3NT makes nine tricks double dummy (although two pairs made 11 tricks). 4 is also there though difficult to bid.

4 would not make my Top 2 selection over a Double. If East is choosing Double here (as opposed to 3NT) then they are treating their hand as strong and flexible and should continue with 4 over 4. Having dodged the bullet of a 4 advance, East can feel pretty good about the resulting auction.
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Posted 2022-October-09, 12:44

Does anyone play 3 (and/or 3NT) as conventional here and if so, how does it work?
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