[thorvald]

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I assume that the strong ♣ is blocking for a normal 4♥ opening.

So what would you bid, and what will you expect the bot to bid?

[TylerE]

You're going to have to explain what "
I assume that the strong ♣ is blocking for a normal 4♥ opening." means.

As stands..I obstain...passing with E hand is just from another galaxy.

[helene_t]

I find the initial pass very weird unless we play some funny system in which pass promises long hearts. 1♥ is normal, unless we play Namyats or something similar.

Now I bid 3♥, if partner raises to 4♥ it would be nice if 4♠ was exclusion but it probably isn't so I will have just to bid normal RKC and assume that partner has ♠A.

[thorvald]

TylerE, on 2022-August-30, 20:13, said:

You're going to have to explain what "
I assume that the strong ♣ is blocking for a normal 4♥ opening." means.

As stands..I obstain...passing with E hand is just from another galaxy.

I did not understand why East did not open 4♥, but there might be a rule, that with EKxx in a side suit the Bot is not allowed to preempt

[thorvald]

helene_t, on 2022-August-31, 02:49, said:

I find the initial pass very weird unless we play some funny system in which pass promises long hearts. 1♥ is normal, unless we play Namyats or something similar.

Now I bid 3♥, if partner raises to 4♥ it would be nice if 4♠ was exclusion but it probably isn't so I will have just to bid normal RKC and assume that partner has ♠A.

I think looking for slam is to optimistic. I would just bid 4♥, but even 3♥ seems better than the actual 4♣ from the bot

[smerriman]

thorvald, on 2022-August-31, 03:59, said:

I did not understand why East did not open 4♥, but there might be a rule, that with EKxx in a side suit the Bot is not allowed to preempt

Nothing to do with clubs. Same as I mentioned in another thread recently - GIB never bids freak hands properly because it can't reconcile the difference in HCP and total points, with it failing both the rules for 1♥ and 4♥ based on different criteria. The same happens to later heart bids, with none matching.

[helene_t]

thorvald, on 2022-August-31, 04:01, said:

I think looking for slam is to optimistic. I would just bid 4♥, but even 3♥ seems better than the actual 4♣ from the bot

Well, xxxxx-AK-Axxx-xx is an ace short for opener's bidding.

AQxxx-K-AJxxx-Qx would be a minumum with a moderate amount of wastage. Granted, when we here three keycards we would have to gamble that there's some way to get rid of our club losers, but I think it's a reasonable gamble. Opener could also be missing ♠A, or have ♥A with ♥K being sec or finesseable, so with three keycards I think slam has decent chances.

[pescetom]

thorvald, on 2022-August-31, 04:01, said:

I think looking for slam is to optimistic. I would just bid 4♥, but even 3♥ seems better than the actual 4♣ from the bot

I would want to look for slam here, but without forcing beyond game unnecessarily. With my best human partner we play Namyats, with others I would bid 2♣ then 3♥ imposing trumps, both are on track to discover diamonds control within game. No idea what it takes for GIB to bid over 4♥, but I can't see it being much help after 1♥ either, except maybe a fluke 2♣ response.

[pescetom]

smerriman, on 2022-August-31, 04:27, said:

Nothing to do with clubs. Same as I mentioned in another thread recently - GIB never bids freak hands properly because it can't reconcile the difference in HCP and total points, with it failing both the rules for 1♥ and 4♥ based on different criteria. The same happens to later heart bids, with none matching.

I don't know about longer holdings, but I did notice that according to the description a 2M opening denies 4 card diamonds (but not 4 card clubs, even more curious).

[smerriman]

pescetom, on 2022-August-31, 07:09, said:

I don't know about longer holdings, but I did notice that according to the description a 2M opening denies 4 card diamonds (but not 4 card clubs, even more curious).

Huh, never noticed that before. Looks like a typo in the description, since it happily opens 2M with 4 diamonds.