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#21 User is offline   Cyberyeti 

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Posted 2022-July-25, 02:25

View Postpescetom, on 2022-July-25, 01:55, said:

I strongly prefer that a minor after two clubs shows 6+card. 5 cards will take it's chances in 1m or some level of 2NT.


In old fashioned Acol, there were some hands that would rebid 2M with 4, I think this hand a queen stronger is one of them
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Posted 2022-July-26, 02:31

1 with this hand is clearly best - if it gets passed out it is not necessarily a bad thing (although it might be, of course). It isn't entirely unproblematic, though. If it goes
1-1
2
or
1-1
4 (or 3? which one is the splinter in your system?)

you have a stronger hand than you might have had (the lower limit for these rebids is a tad lower for most English club players compared to BBF expert standard) but you probably won't be able to show your extras as you already have shown a maximum and partner is now captain.

It becomes a bit more interesting if we make the hand a tad stronger and/or have length in both majors:
AKQx
AKx
AQxxx
x

With these kind of hands I think that the most practical approach is to accept that you won't be bidding them very effectively no matter what you do, and fortunately they don't come up too often.

The best solution is probably to bid
2-2
2-2NT
3
- we bid economically so not necessarily longest suit first. Another approach is to agree that
2-2
3
shows specifically four spades and longer diamonds.

Either way, even if 2 is not GF in itself, these sequences should be used only with GF hands. With a semi-GF and awkward shape, open at the 1-level. But you are allowed to force to game with less than game in your own hand - if your hand produces game opposite some 98% of hands which partner can have, forcing to game may have higher success rate than not doing so.
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Posted 2022-July-26, 06:48

View Posthelene_t, on 2022-July-26, 02:31, said:

1 with this hand is clearly best - if it gets passed out it is not necessarily a bad thing (although it might be, of course). It isn't entirely unproblematic, though. If it goes
1-1
2
or
1-1
4 (or 3? which one is the splinter in your system?)

you have a stronger hand than you might have had (the lower limit for these rebids is a tad lower for most English club players compared to BBF expert standard) but you probably won't be able to show your extras as you already have shown a maximum and partner is now captain.

It becomes a bit more interesting if we make the hand a tad stronger and/or have length in both majors:
AKQx
AKx
AQxxx
x

With these kind of hands I think that the most practical approach is to accept that you won't be bidding them very effectively no matter what you do, and fortunately they don't come up too often.

The best solution is probably to bid
2-2
2-2NT
3
- we bid economically so not necessarily longest suit first. Another approach is to agree that
2-2
3
shows specifically four spades and longer diamonds.

Either way, even if 2 is not GF in itself, these sequences should be used only with GF hands. With a semi-GF and awkward shape, open at the 1-level. But you are allowed to force to game with less than game in your own hand - if your hand produces game opposite some 98% of hands which partner can have, forcing to game may have higher success rate than not doing so.

For some years, I played something like this: After 2 - 2 - ? , reserve some 2-level suit to show artificially "no 6-card suit, no 5-5, some defect for notrump."

With 6-card or 5-5, opener starts at the 3-level. As you see, this is incompatible with shading the forcing opening with the inflexible hand types.
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Posted 2022-August-02, 02:24

View Postmw64ahw, on 2022-July-24, 10:16, said:

So how many playing tricks does the above hand have?

Using the traditional (1930s/40s) method of counting, 8.5.
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Posted 2022-August-02, 02:31

View PostGilithin, on 2022-August-02, 02:24, said:

Using the traditional (1930s/40s) method of counting, 8.5.

Yep this question was in response to Tramticket saying that the hand fell well short of a 2! opening.

I had a similar hand last night and opened 2 following through with a 3-level bid below the singleton, which ostensibly shows a 4441. Partner had 1hcp, but game was makeable in the Major which we found. However ops. found the optimal contract going 1 down X and we settled for a 50/50
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Posted 2022-August-02, 04:44

Even with strong club I have doubts about what responder would do after 1 - 1 - 2.

Well done to RHO for not balancing though.
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Posted 2022-August-02, 06:55

View PostAL78, on 2022-July-24, 06:59, said:

Partner put down:

T9864
953
92
J3

12 cards.
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