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12 Minor Card Hand

#1 User is offline   pmacfar 

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Posted 2005-June-21, 12:00

Scoring: MP


In my duplicate game last night (Monday) sitting East I picked up the above hand and bidding goes as follows:

2 - 2NT - ?

What is your bid?
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Posted 2005-June-21, 12:11

Clearcut pass
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Posted 2005-June-21, 12:36

i'm assuming that 2nt over call is for the minors, in which case i'm passing

if it's some kind of big hand, i'm in 4
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Posted 2005-June-21, 12:42

2N overcall of weak 2 is typically about a strong 1N opener
Since 1/2 my pard's hand is probably worthless to my hand, this is not a time to interfere. Whatever contract the opps get to... BOY ARE THEY IN FOR SOME BAD BREAKS :D
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Posted 2005-June-21, 12:45

Pass, always.

Be happy they did not start doubling.

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Posted 2005-June-21, 12:50

Pass (misread the problem first)
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Posted 2005-June-21, 12:53

scoob, on Jun 21 2005, 09:36 PM, said:

i'm assuming that 2nt over call is for the minors, in which case i'm passing

if it's some kind of big hand, i'm in 4

A direct 2NT overcall is normally 15-18 balanced
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Posted 2005-June-21, 13:00

hrothgar, on Jun 21 2005, 01:11 PM, said:

Clearcut pass

couldnt have said it better
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Posted 2005-June-21, 13:03

Jlall, on Jun 21 2005, 03:00 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Jun 21 2005, 01:11 PM, said:

Clearcut pass

couldnt have said it better

I could.. "Grateful pass", Since they have more spades than we do, and we are RED and they are white. :-)
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Posted 2005-June-21, 13:34

hrothgar, on Jun 21 2005, 12:53 PM, said:

scoob, on Jun 21 2005, 09:36 PM, said:

i'm assuming that 2nt over call is for the minors, in which case i'm passing

if it's some kind of big hand, i'm in 4

A direct 2NT overcall is normally 15-18 balanced

oh. that i might leave alone. maybe. depending on level of sobriety.
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Posted 2005-June-21, 14:49

pass, 2 suiters can't be shown opposite a preemptive. You have to assume it.
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Posted 2005-June-21, 18:24

Pass
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Posted 2005-June-21, 18:47

PASS

any other bid is just looking for trouble.
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Posted 2005-June-22, 01:17

Pass of course ! what else ??? :rolleyes:

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Posted 2005-June-22, 04:58

joker_gib, on Jun 22 2005, 07:17 AM, said:

Pass of course !  what else ??? :rolleyes:

Well, you could try 4NT for the minors, hoping to that it is a good save against their practically certain 4/3NT.
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Posted 2005-June-22, 09:13

whereagles, on Jun 22 2005, 06:58 AM, said:

Well, you could try 4NT for the minors, hoping to that it is a good save against their practically certain 4/3NT.

I agree that with partner and I having 10 - 14 points, opps have game, having played with partner only a few times I tried to steal the hand by bidding 4. Unfortunately, partner took it as Gerber (NOT - that was partner's lesson for the night), and you know the rest of the story..... B)

Kibitzing after the hand, I should probably have bid 4, then I could bid 5 and partner could correct to 5.

Partner had 1 club and Axx in diamonds. I believe that 5 only loses a heart and one or two diamonds, making or only down 1. Even vuln and X'd, that is better than opps making game. (clubs were 4-2, with RHO having the 4, so the Ace covers partners singleton and three cross-ruffs sets up two long clubs in hand. Partner's diamond spot cards were like 98 or 97, good for over-ruffing or forcing high roughs by opponents)
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Posted 2005-June-22, 09:33

Well... if I know pard may take 4C or 4NT as gerber or blackwood, I sure will bid some nr. of diamonds followed by 5C B)
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Posted 2005-June-22, 10:28

Well they certainly weren't the colours to be messing around with. Anyone at favourable bidding 3?
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Posted 2005-June-22, 17:17

whereagles, on Jun 22 2005, 05:58 AM, said:

joker_gib, on Jun 22 2005, 07:17 AM, said:

Pass of course !  what else ??? :P

Well, you could try 4NT for the minors, hoping to that it is a good save against their practically certain 4/3NT.

save? i don't consider this a good time to try to "save" anything... normally at these colors you aren't gonna find partner with the cards you need to keep you out of -500, minimum
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Posted 2005-June-22, 21:36

Well, just because you're at 'red' it doesn't mean you can't take a save. It sure doesn't seem you can go more than 500 down (even if pard has a 6-4 major), and you can easily go for less. Though I agree the risk of a bad score is much higher at matchpoints.
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