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12 Minor Card Hand

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Posted 2005-June-22, 22:02

whereagles, on Jun 23 2005, 04:36 AM, said:

Well, just because you're at 'red' it doesn't mean you can't take a save. It sure doesn't seem you can go more than 500 down (even if pard has a 6-4 major), and you can easily go for less. Though I agree the risk of a bad score is much higher at matchpoints.

What? Try playing 5♦ with partner having ♦Qx ♣x in the minors on a trump lead or switch and one of the 2 minors breaking 4-1. Even worse, you were beating 4♥. (♠A led, spade ruff, ♣A, club ruff or trump promotion)...

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Posted 2005-June-22, 23:23

Bidding is really a crap shoot. Sure, you might catch pard with a 4 card minor, but that doesnt mean you have 11 tricks. If its a total misfit - where pard has some kind of 6-4 in the majors, then this hand is a nightmare, and we can go for 1400.

Just pass and see what happens. You have an easy lead against 4♥ - and you will be on lead too.
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Posted 2005-June-23, 00:16

Pass. I expect at least two down in 5m. 4♣ would be a fitbid, btw.
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Posted 2005-June-23, 04:54

cherdano, on Jun 23 2005, 04:02 AM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 23 2005, 04:36 AM, said:

Well, just because you're at 'red' it doesn't mean you can't take a save. It sure doesn't seem you can go more than 500 down (even if pard has a 6-4 major), and you can easily go for less. Though I agree the risk of a bad score is much higher at matchpoints.

What? Try playing 5♦ with partner having ♦Qx ♣x in the minors on a trump lead or switch and one of the 2 minors breaking 4-1. Even worse, you were beating 4♥. (♠A led, spade ruff, ♣A, club ruff or trump promotion)...

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Nightmares can obviously happen. The question is how likely they are. I don't think it is that bad a shot to try for a save in 5m.
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Posted 2005-June-23, 06:15

They can on this deal Nuno, spceially at the 5 level, at least that's what I think.
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Posted 2005-June-23, 07:34

Well, someone willing to run a simulation? :blink:
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