[pclayton]

All MP's, all Vul / Vul

1. K5, Q5x, KQJT5, 5xx. 1♠ on your left in 3rd chair. 2♥ by pard, 2♠ on your right. Your call?

2. x, xxx, KJ8xx, Axxx. 1♣ by pard, 1♠ by RHO, 2♦ by you (not a NFB - but thats what my pard did with this hand), 3♣ by pard, pass on right. Your call?

We had a better game last night and my annual mid-year slump is slowly drifting away.

[whereagles]

1. 3♦. By a passed hand it must show diams and heart tolerance.

2. 4♣. Dunno where this will end, but I won't pass 3♣... lol.

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Jun 22 2005, 11:47 AM, said:

All MP's, all Vul / Vul

1. K5, Q5x, KQJT5, 5xx. 1♠ on your left in 3rd chair. 2♥ by pard, 2♠ on your right. Your call?

2. x, xxx, KJ8xx, Axxx. 1♣ by pard, 1♠ by RHO, 2♦ by you (not a NFB - but thats what my pard did with this hand), 3♣ by pard, pass on right. Your call?

We had a better game last night and my annual mid-year slump is slowly drifting away. 

1. 3♦ Fit non jump by passed hand at the three level.

2. Imps, vul, I am going to make a game try here. I Like 4♣, as everything else overstates my hand given my 2♦ call (if i cue-bid 3♠ here, I wouldn't pass 3NT anyway). But it is a moot point because I am never bidding 2♦ here.

[mike777]

Jlall, on Jun 22 2005, 12:35 PM, said:

Hand 1: 4D. I'm going to game, want to apply the pressure. The spade king could be poorly located but there are so many ways to win. You will often push them to 4S, or they wont X you and you'll go down 1 vs thier 3S. etc etc. 4D directs a good lead and may enable partner to bid 5H. Again, I will balk at the thought of 3D showing a 3 card (or longer?) heart fit. If I had Qxxx x AJTxxxx x I would always bid 3D here. If i had x Qx Qxxxxxx Axx I would never open 3D red in second seat, and I would certainly bid 3D now. There are quite a few legitimate 3D bids that don't have 3 hearts.

Hand 2: I would have just bid 2S originally to get the strength and fit (hopefully lol) off my chest. If pard has 3 clubs, oh well. Having bid 2D, I feel I must support at some point with 4 trumps and a singleton so I'll try 4C.

ditto

[pigpenz]

on one i def like 4♦ it also has a way of slowing the opps down cause now the opps know that your partner has more info then they do so they may not be as willing to bid 4♠ over 4♥.

on two just a simple 4♣

[shanbari]

1. i play goodbad 2nt, so direct 3H in vul shows this hand.

2. pass, matchpoint, and partner's 3c seems minimal already.

SHAN

[PMetsch]

1. 3♥. Bad hand: 3 trumps, no shape , no aces, ♠K

2. pass. Partner has ♠ length but only rebid his clubs in a forcing auction, so he may have a minimum, maybe 4=x=x=5. I think 5♣ is too high and if partner is not interested in NT then we play 3♣.

[luke warm]

3♦ on hand 1.. the ♠K is useless imo, so 4♦ looks like too much

4♣ on hand 2

[the hog]

3D which obviously is a fnj by a passed hand. This hand with its wasted K of S and three baby C is not good enough to force to game unless partner can cooperate.

Was 2D forcing, Phil? I am loth to bid, but never having shown C support feel obliged to raise C now. I dislike the 2D bid.

[Double !]

I agree with 3D fnj on hand 1, and 4C on hand 2.

[Fluffy]

4♦ first
5♣ second

[pclayton]

I had the 1st hand.

I disagree that 3♦ must promise heart support or tolerance. In my regular partnership we've thrown out fit non-jumps at the 3 level. This pard (infrequent) said he'd expect tolerance.

I totally devlaued the K♠ and bid 3♥ only. After all, why can't: xx, AKxxxx, xx, Axx be possible? - and there are a lot of similar types. And theres no indication why this can't be our hand and we need to make a pressure bid. Its MP's and buying it for 3♥ or doubling 3♠ might be the best solution instead of blasting to the 4 level.

I gave the hand to Chris Larsen who thought about it for a long time and chose a responsive double. If pard can bid 2N (natural, but thats another issue), then you KNOW your K♠ is carrying some weight and can bid 4. Pard actually held: Axx, AKxxx, xxx, Ax.

My pard held the 2nd hand and passed (!) 3♣. I held: AQ9xx, A, x, QJTxxx. I made all the tricks when they ducked the A♦ and discarded poorly. I think its a limit raise in clubs with that stiff spade.

[whereagles]

There may be a case for throwing out FNJs by a non-passed hand, but by a passed hand, this 3♦ bid sure has some sort of heart tolerance. If the hand had only diamonds, it would have opened on some nr. of ♦, no?