[pescetom]

MP

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Playing a fairly natural 2/1 system with 15-17 1NT.
You ignore the temptation to open 2NT (would you?) and bid 1♣ (may be 2 cards in 4432).
Partner responds 1♥ (NAT), vulnerable opponents remain silent.
Your rebid?
Please answer the poll and feel free to comment here.

[nullve]

Interesting title!

[mikeh]

No club bid is adequate. One either fakes a reverse into 2D or bids to the most likely game: 3N.

This may be a difficult hand to untangle after the reverse while the 3N needs very little to work out…including reaching higher contracts since partner now has a reasonably good idea of the nature of your hand. So 3N it is.I’d expect 3N to be close to unanimous in a poll of experts, given system constraints.

[mycroft]

Yeah, the only complaint I have about 3NT ("I can take 9 tricks opposite a response based on my club suit, not solely 'cards'") is that I need help from partner on the signposted opening lead. But even xxx might be enough. Swap the pointeds, and I have no qualms.

But 3NT it is. Anything else is more of a lie.

[LBengtsson]

Partner will know what sort of hand you have rebidding 3NT here. Any other bid is a lie, denying the hands playing trick strength. I would not argue with a beginner or novice rebidding 3♣ here, but the advanced or expert bid should be 3NT imo.

[AL78]

3NT is the bid that stands out to me, and if partner puts down ♠xxx and they cash five off the top, so be it. I'm confident it will be right more often than it's wrong.

[johnu]

3NT. I've never had the opponents run the 1st 5 tricks when I've had this auction. Sometimes the 1st 6 tricks, occasionally the 1st 7 tricks...

[Douglas43]

Systemically I play 3NT as solid suit with bits outside. Doesn't guarantee a full stop in both unbid suits.

[Cyberyeti]

I can't bid 3N directly which we use for a big 4414, but can bid a GF unbal 2N, now if partner doesn't have 7 hearts or 5-5 in the reds or 5-6 in the majors, he will bid 3♣ and I will bid 3N to show this type of hand.

[helene_t]

I voted 3n but I don't think 3c is crazy. If partner passes he may have no quick tricks, or no help in spades, or 4 quick losers in hearts plus one in spades.

[nige1]

pescetom 'MP. Playing a fairly natural 2/1 system with 15-17 1NT. You ignore the temptation to open 2NT. (would you?) and bid 1♣ (may be 2 cards in 4432). Partner responds 1♥ (NAT), vulnerable opponents remain silent.Your rebid? Please answer the poll and feel free to comment here.'
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A 1♣ opener is OK because this is seems too strong for a 1N opener. Now I rank rebids as
1. 3N = NAT Good clubs, good hand.
2. 2♦ = Manufactured reverse.
3. 3♣= INV Underbid.

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[pescetom]

nullve, on 2022-April-27, 11:51, said:

Interesting title!

I was thinking about a quote I once saw, attributed to Geir Helgemo, along the lines of "if it looks like No Trump then it is No Trump"

[pescetom]

Thanks to all who replied.
I bid the manufactured 2♦ reverse rather than a more prosaic (albeit sensible) 3NT, partly because I wanted more information and partly because I feared a diamonds lead.
I confess that my main reason for posting was to seek confirmation that 3♣ would have been a clear underbid, as I felt but others did not.
But it's useful to see how much support 3NT has.

FWIW here is the actual layout and auction:

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Only 12 out of 106 found the diamonds lead on either side (even without the semi-psychic reverse).
And only 10 bid and made 4♥ (rank one up to the Norwegians).

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2022-April-28, 14:58, said:

Only 12 out of 106 found the diamonds lead (even without the semi-psychic reverse).
And only 10 bid and made 4♥ (rank one up to the Norwegians).

We bid 1♣-1♥-2N(GF unbal)-3♠(5-6 majors)-4♥ I think. W has already shown a huge hand by bidding this way, and doesn't need to cue with such poor major suit holdings, if a slam is on, E will bid on.

[nige1]

pescetom' I bid the manufactured 2♦ reverse rather than a more prosaic (albeit sensible) 3NT, partly because I wanted more information and partly because I feared a diamonds lead. I confess that my main reason for posting was to seek confirmation that 3♣ would have been a clear underbid, as I felt but others did not. But it's useful to see how much support 3NT has. FWIW here is the actual layout and auction: Only 12 out of 106 found the diamonds lead on either side (even without the semi-psychic reverse). And only 10 bid and made 4♥ (rank one up to the Norwegians).+
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After opener'a reverse (e.g. after 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♦ - ?? I like a version of Lebensohl
- 2N = PUP request to 3♣ for P/C.
- 3 bids = G/F NAT
- 2M = N/F (Here,
- 2♠ = NAT INV shapely but N/F, so opener might prefer 3/4♥. Over 3♥ responder would bid 4♥

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[pescetom]

Quote

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After opener'a reverse (e.g. after 1♣ - 1♠ - 2♦ - ?? I like a version of Lebensohl
- 2N = PUP request to 3♣ for P/C.
- 3 bids = G/F NAT
- 2M = N/F (Here,
- 2♠ = NAT INV shapely but N/F, so opener might prefer 3/4♥. Over 3♥ responder would bid 4♥

Our 2NT is similar to the French 'Moderateur' here and any other direct bid by responder except the cheapest rebid of his own suit is game forcing. So 2♤ would be a game force, but in our system it's not well defined whether it is showing or asking spades (it has to be one or the other, there is no need for a generic fourth suit game force). If it is asking for a stop (as I would prefer), then opener will probably repeat clubs and now responder will repeat hearts, leading happily to 4♡. But if it is showing spades then opener is likely to bid 3NT, which is not what I would be looking for as responder. I felt responder would have done better to just bid 3♡ (game forcing) given his hand: if opener bids 3♤ rather than 4♡ then now he can play 3NT with a clear conscience (and K protected).
One pair in my club just bid 1♧ 1♡; 3NT 4♡ p, a nice example of natural bidding doing the job well all the same.