[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     4♦    Pass
 4NT   Pass  5♣    Dbl
 5♦    Dbl   Pass  Pass
 Pass  

yes I bid the 4D

[Blofeld]

Of course, it depends on the pre-empt style you've agreed with partner, but I think that the 4♦ bid is fine, and can't see why West is acting over it.

[Double !]

The question here is, what is your agreement regarding hand and suit quality for your 4m opener? You have 8 card suit but 7 losers. You need agreement to differentiate quality of the bid. I would expect partner to use an approximate holding of KQ8th in my hand as the template from which to base further bidding or decisions. Some play more, some less, some play 7-card suits. In first and, especially second seat, be careful about straying too far from your template.

[luke warm]

knowing ahead of time that anything can be right or wrong on any one hand, i don't think there's any way i'd open that hand with a 4♦ bid.. partner should expect just a tad more for a vulnerable preempt, imo... something like an 8 card no loser suit... this hand looks to be 2 losers too many (maybe more)

[EricK]

I would make the 4♦ bid if NV, but it is too weak V (IMO). On the other hand, 4m pre-empts are a very effective weapon at the table and often do much better than they deserve, so I am not going to be too harsh about the bid.

I don't understand why your partner bid. I especially don't understand why he bid what he bid.

Eric

[luis]

The big problem of opening 4 of a minor when pd is not a pssed hand is that you can no longer play 3NT and with a long minor 3NT is many times your best game.
Having said that hands with 8 cards and a very broken suit are quite ideal for a 4m opening since the chances of 3NT being the best contract are greatly reduced.
In the example you present I think 4d is a valid option and West just went nuts with 4NT, 4m minor openings should be fairly destructive and that's why west is very far from holding a hand that can act over 4d.

Luis

[Free]

Agree with Luis, however 4♦ is not my choice when V. West has no hand to bid at all since you don't have a solid suit anyway...

[MickyB]

4♦ will make both sides guess. Your opps now have no room, and your pard will sometimes overbid (particularly when he is short in diamonds and plays you for KQJ to 8 or similar). 1st green its certainly worth making both sides guess IMO, 1st both vul it isn't unreasonable. 2nd seat it would be a clear pass.

[Fluffy]

4NT was a psycke, trying to dedceive opponents, but was catched.

[the hog]

This broken suit is not within a bull's roar of a vulnerable 4D opening. I would consider a green 4D opening to be agressive with a suit of this quality. To those who like to open 4D with this, when is the next money game please?

[the hog]

Ok. Perhaps I can get a side game organised in Sydney. I know a couple of Sydney rubber bridge players who would like to participate, Michael Courtney for one. (You probably don't know him - look up Cavendish from a few years ago, but he is one of the top RB players around anywhere.) Tim might also be interested, Seres that is.

[inquiry]

Yuck and puke.

I don't like the 4♦ bid, and I don't like the 4NT bid. In fact, after some heavy duty driking one night, I gave up 4♣ and 4♦ as opening preempts (use them as transfers to majors). I use an opening bid of 3NT as a normal preempt to four of a minor, and an opening bid of 3♠ as gambling 3NT type bid... partner can pass (with spades), bid 3NT to play or as psyche, or bid 4♣, pass correct or 4♦ looking for side suit singteton or void.

Even if I played 4♦ as diamonds and seak... this is not the hand for it vulnerable. Not vulnerable this would be a great 4♦ bid.

[Winstonm]

Jlall, on Jun 18 2005, 06:40 PM, said:

4D is fine. 3D would be fine. 4N is not fine.

No, but 4N was fined, though. -800.

WinstonM