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Posted 2005-May-16, 10:30

Scoring: IMP

BPO-002B
S----------W----------N----------E
1♠…………….2♥…………..3♥……….Pass
? Your bid

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Posted 2005-May-16, 10:34

BPO-002B

4♣

Partner's 3H bid promises a limit raise+ in support of Spades. Give partner a perfect minimum and slam could easily be on... Two important points about this hand.

1. BBO advanced uses “Serious” 3NT. In this case, I can offer a courtesy cue bid without overstating my strength.

2. BBO Advanced specifically states that “The bid of a side suit never bid naturally shows any first or second round control”. Accordingly, 4♣ is the appropriate way to move forward.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:11

3NT serious.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:18

4C

Not serious 3nt. In any case I prefer 3nt to promise hearts stoppers on this auction not serious 3nt.

I guess everyone plays cuebid by UPH as promising support 100%. I agree it is very often but prefer not 100%. There are a few hand types that I prefer to start with cuebid and not a neg x and then rebid a forcing new suit.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:30

This one is the most difficult hand for me. I chose 4♥... Perhaps serious 3NT is better but I wanted to show slam interest AND a ♥-control. 4♣ may seem to be 1.-round control. With what did W bid 2♥ in red? Just AQ........ in ♥s? I am too stupid for this hand :rolleyes:
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:44

3NT
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Posted 2005-May-16, 12:31

i think i voted for 3nt :rolleyes:
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Posted 2005-May-16, 14:07

42, on May 16 2005, 08:30 PM, said:

4♣ may seem to be 1.-round control.

4♣ is specifically defined as first or second round control in the system notes...
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Posted 2005-May-16, 15:04

4 spades I chickened out of 4 club splinter
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Posted 2005-May-16, 15:26

sceptic, on May 17 2005, 09:04 AM, said:

4 spades I chickened out of 4 club splinter

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4♣ wouldn't normally be a splinter since it is not a jump. In this auction it would normally be a cue-bid.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 15:44

thx Wayne
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Posted 2005-May-16, 17:55

3NT
It's forcing whether serious or not. 3H commits us to play in spades. Again, I want to hear partner's rebid. If P bids anything but 4S I now get very interested.
Meanwhile, I have wasted values in lho's suit. Where are partner's values.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 17:57

i will start with 3NT
i pass partners 4♠, but if he bids anything else i will blackwood
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Posted 2005-May-16, 18:36

4NT - I figured all I really need to know is partner's controls. Why not take over the auction now?
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Posted 2005-May-16, 18:49

Echognome, on May 16 2005, 07:36 PM, said:

4NT - I figured all I really need to know is partner's controls.  Why not take over the auction now?

Lost me on this one. If you want to know controls how is 4nt going to help? This tells you aces at 5 level not controls at 4 level. Heck of alot more controls than aces in the deck. Stiff and voids are controls, K are controls...etc. 3H does not deny a hand with shortness.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 18:56

Yes controls. Aces first then Kings next. If partner has one ace I'm not stopping short of slam. If he has none, then i'm stopping at the 5-level. I don't want partner cue-bidding his heart void as I don't plan to ruff 4 hearts in dummy.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 23:51

3N - natural or serious - whatever you choose.

But either way its FORCING.
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Posted 2005-May-17, 02:47

4♣ Cue

Partner's hand is limited here so I think 3NT must be natural.
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Posted 2005-May-17, 04:39

4♦

I want to hear if partner has a heart control (singleton?). If partner does not have a heart control, I may get a heart ruff or may not have enough heart discards on the club suit.

If I bid 4♣ then I dont know what to do after a 4♦ cue by partner.

I don't like 3NT because my hand does not have playing power (no 6 spades, wrong heart control, singleton king are bad features).
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Posted 2005-May-17, 05:13

joker_gib, on May 17 2005, 09:47 AM, said:

4♣ Cue

Partner's hand is limited here so I think 3NT must be natural.

I don't think so. 3♥ is invitational+, i.e. could be limit raise, but could be any game forcing strength (with heart fit) as well.

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