[inquiry]

P_Marlowe, on May 18 2005, 11:42 AM, said:

I just want to voice a slight complain, that 3S receives a point,
however 4S receive none, because if 3S is passable, following
the systems,
... at least I thought, that I did read that ...,
bidding 3S will miss game, while 4S does not.

Needlessly to say, that I did vote for 4S, maybe as the only
one.

I agree that a cue bid is better than 4S, altough it wont
acomplish a lot, because you have lots of wasted values in
hearts, and if we assume the 2H bidder is not a lunatic, he will
have values outside hearts => giving will hold a minimum for
his call, so that slam will only make, if partner holds perfect
cards. Searching wont hurt, so it should be done.

With kind regards
Marlowe

It was an oversight, 4 is better than 3... so has been adjusted

[luis]

inquiry, on May 18 2005, 05:11 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on May 18 2005, 11:42 AM, said:

I just want to voice a slight complain, that 3S receives a point,
however 4S receive none, because if 3S is passable, following
the systems,
... at least I thought, that I did read that ...,
bidding 3S will miss game, while 4S does not.

Needlessly to say, that I did vote for 4S, maybe as the only
one. 

I agree that a cue bid is better than 4S, altough it wont
acomplish a lot, because you have lots of wasted values in
hearts, and if we assume the 2H bidder is not a lunatic, he will
have values outside hearts => giving will hold a minimum for
his call, so that slam will only make, if partner holds perfect
cards. Searching wont hurt, so it should be done.

With kind regards
Marlowe

It was an oversight, 4 is better than 3... so has been adjusted

I strongly think 4♠ deserves a negative score, 3♠ is better even if non forcing since if pd passes with nothing you missed a game and not a slam, in 4♠ pd will pass every single time you have a slam.
3♠ may gamble on pd following up and thus have better room to find about slam.
4♠ is not bridge.

Just my opinion.

[HeartA]

flytoox, on May 18 2005, 11:13 AM, said:

Hehe, comfort. 4S is actually quite sensible. This hand is a trap. Too many wasted cards. Though I bid 3N, I bid it to play, not to show any slam interest.

My opinion is any bid showing slam interest overestimate the hand. If pd cannot make any move. I will be happy with 4S. On a bad day, you cannot even make 4S.

Too many wasted cards? How many? Even ♥K was not really a waste, it's a second control if pd had xx. I only see ♥J was wasted.

[P_Marlowe]

HeartA, on May 18 2005, 01:48 PM, said:

flytoox, on May 18 2005, 11:13 AM, said:

Hehe, comfort. 4S is actually quite sensible. This hand is a trap. Too many wasted cards. Though I bid 3N, I bid it to play, not to show any slam interest.

My opinion is any bid showing slam interest overestimate the hand. If pd cannot make any move. I will be happy with 4S. On a bad day, you cannot even make 4S.

Too many wasted cards? How many? Even ♥K was not really a waste, it's a second control if pd had xx. I only see ♥J was wasted.

Well, it is wasted, given the bad suit quality, the overcall
is likely based on a 6 card, so the defence goes heart to Ace,
heart back ruff, -1.
Or Ace of heart, heart continued, I am to lazy to look it up, who is on lead.

The heart values are wasted.
You can get exited, if you hold xxxx in heart, because now
you know, that if partner holds a controll, it will be singleton.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

luis, on May 18 2005, 12:40 PM, said:

inquiry, on May 18 2005, 05:11 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on May 18 2005, 11:42 AM, said:

I just want to voice a slight complain, that 3S receives a point,
however 4S receive none, because if 3S is passable, following
the systems,
... at least I thought, that I did read that ...,
bidding 3S will miss game, while 4S does not.

Needlessly to say, that I did vote for 4S, maybe as the only
one. 

I agree that a cue bid is better than 4S, altough it wont
acomplish a lot, because you have lots of wasted values in
hearts, and if we assume the 2H bidder is not a lunatic, he will
have values outside hearts => giving will hold a minimum for
his call, so that slam will only make, if partner holds perfect
cards. Searching wont hurt, so it should be done.

With kind regards
Marlowe

It was an oversight, 4 is better than 3... so has been adjusted

I strongly think 4♠ deserves a negative score, 3♠ is better even if non forcing since if pd passes with nothing you missed a game and not a slam, in 4♠ pd will pass every single time you have a slam.
3♠ may gamble on pd following up and thus have better room to find about slam.
4♠ is not bridge.

Just my opinion.

Well if you regular miss slams, who are around 60%, than you wont loose
as much, as when you are regular missing games who are better than 50%.

I suppose, it is a matter of style, I assume, but games come first, after that
comes going plus, and only in third place comes bidding slams.

There was some observation about Hamman:
Given his superior card play, people wondered, how seldom he reaches bad
slam in contrast to bad games.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[han]

Agree with 3NT or 4C (depending on partnership agreement, they seem to be the same bid, so deserve the same score imo). I think that 4S is awful. This hand has some major flaws, but we do have a very good hand, even after all the substractions.

[JLOGIC]

3N is clearly natural here, not serious or non serious, unless 3H is specifically showing 4+ card support.