[luke warm]

i wish i'd opened 1nt, then there'd be less to worry about.. i'd pass 1♥, even tho roland is right that game is possible.. not vul at ???

[Fluffy]

Walddk, on Jun 8 2005, 01:19 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jun 8 2005, 08:16 AM, said:

I dont play walsh, so 1S does not promises
an unbal. opener for me.

I don't play Walsh with all partners, but I still play 1x - 1y ; 1MA as an unbalanced hand.

Roland

Interesting, I play walsh with all my partners but I still play 1♣-1♥-1♠ as 3+♣

[civill]

dragon11, on Jun 8 2005, 06:12 AM, said:

thank all for your replies(I especially agree with Roland).

west north east south(me)
　　　　P　　P　　1C
　p　　1H　　P　　1NT
　P　　2NT　P　　　P
　P

In fact, we almost lost a 4H/4S game.who is wrong here?

thank again

wayne

As I know,the "Rule of Opening points" may help your bidding.How about this sequence?

N E S
1H - ?

[Winstonm]

Quote

we almost lost a 4H/4S game.who is wrong here?

You bring a good problem/question to the table. Here are my views for what they are worth.

First, 4333 distribution was born in No-trump-land; it doesn't like to move to Heart-land, Spadeland, or any other suit-land; in fact, a suit rebid with this is Never-never-land. This is even more true with a bad spade suit and good cards in all the rest.

Second, in the Milton Point Count, Aces are 'seriously' undervalued and Kings are 'a bit' undervalued, so with two Aces and a King, this is NOT simply a 12-point hand - more like a 14 count. Pard may have passed a 10-11 count not quite up to the parnership's opening standards, so game is NOT out of question; therefore it is totally reasonable to rebid 1NT on this hand.

Third, with the 1N rebid, partner should be able to 'visualize' a game opposite the perfect minimum hand (yours), and therefore is 'entitled' to make a game try. Most here play the new minor at the 2-level ask for 3-card support. Once this 5/3 fit is found, reaching game on the good distribuional values in the north hand should be routine.

Those are my views.

WinstonM

[helene_t]

Fluffy, on Jun 9 2005, 02:20 AM, said:

Walddk, on Jun 8 2005, 01:19 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jun 8 2005, 08:16 AM, said:

I dont play walsh, so 1S does not promises
an unbal. opener for me.

I don't play Walsh with all partners, but I still play 1x - 1y ; 1MA as an unbalanced hand.

Roland

Interesting, I play walsh with all my partners but I still play 1♣-1♥-1♠ as 3+♣

"Walsh" means that a rebid of a suit at the one-level shows an unballanced hand, but often it is implicit that it applies only to the rebid after 1♣-1♦.

One of the consequences of this is that responder must show a 4-card major immediately after a 1♣ opening, even with a 5- or 6-card diamonds, unless he's strong enough to reverse (if you play a weak 1NT and a reverse is not GF, it barely influences the responses to 1♣). You can agree that responder can show his diamond suit later or you can agree just to let the diamond suit go.

Even if you don't play Walsh, you can bypass a four-card or a mediocre 5-card diamonds if you want.

It is a popular misconception that not playing Walsh is the same as bidding fourcards up-the-line.

[mr1303]

No-one fancy a raise to 2H here? I think it's a more useful bid than introducing a ratty spade suit.

[the hog]

I would certainly bid 1NT. For me to open 1C and rebid 1S shows at least xxxx (xx) (xxx) xxxx with very good black suits, or more likely nine cards in the black suits.

It really depends whether you want to inform partner about the nature of your hand or not. For me it is more important to tell pd I have a balanced hand in the X to Y point range rather than to tell pd I have 7 to 13 black suit cards.

[han]

I always bid 1NT when 4333. 1S would guarantee 4 clubs for me.