[MickyB]

Scoring: IMP

1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠). What now?

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[mike777]

MickyB, on Jun 6 2005, 03:01 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠). What now?

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2S

I really like my hand. Second choice is 4H (18-20) deny splinter but I think I am too strong for this with those 6 clubs.

Of course if p can respond 1H on:
XXXX
XXXXX
XXXX
VOID

LET'S NOT GO CRAZY

[Winstonm]

There is a treatment (From Roth-Stone I believe) where after a major suit response by partner a jump rebid by opener to 4 of his minor shows a 46 pattern with good clubs and weakish trumps, although if this were treated as always forcing back to the major one could use it on these types of hands as well. Over the pretty automatic 4H bid, you could then continue with 4S, saying, I was only kidding about being weak, and you have shown your pattern, your strength, and your spade control while not denying a diamond control as well.

Just a thought.

WinstonM

[MickyB]

Ok, 2♠ was my choice at the table. If pard rebids 3♥, what is your bid?

[MickyB]

My partner and I hadn't discussed a 4♣ bid there. My guess is that it would show a solid club suit and support, without saying anything in particular about trump strength.

[PriorKnowledge]

4C
1m 1M 4m = Good 6 (2 of top 3)-4, game force. This is exactly what I have. Partner can bid slam with as little as xxx KJxx xxx Qxx

[inquiry]

1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠)
2♠-(P)-3♥-(P)
3♠

If partner persist with 4♥, I give. If he cue-bids 4 of a minor, I use RKCB.

In the real world, with my partners, I play 2NT by me over 1♠ as strong four card support and start an artificial auction with 3♣ by partner being his weakest response.. .but this is FAR FAR FAR from standard.

Ben

[MickyB]

Isn't 3♦ the splinter on this auction Justin?

[Walddk]

Jlall, on Jun 6 2005, 04:39 PM, said:

depends on your agreements. Some play 3D is just a mini splinter (like 14 and stiff or 15 and stiff). Some play its mini splinter or super splinter... Some play 3D=stiff and 4D=void.

I am one of "some". 3♦ is a singleton, at least invitational, 4♦ is a void.

Roland

[Winstonm]

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This is REALLY the wrong hand type for 4C. it shows 6-4 with CONCENTRATED values, and is not nearly this strong

Agree totally, and it would take an agreement for An/OR, either weak and concentrated or strong and GF with slam interest. The only thing it couldn't be is a "tweener". In fact, just about any bid that shows two suits with agreement may use this an/or approach, provided that partner cannot pass the bid. Michael's comes immediately to mind, as with agreement you could play this as either QJ10xx, KJ10xx, x, xx or AQJxx, AKJxxx, x, x, but it shouldn't then be AJ10xx, KQxxx, x, Kx. An/Or approach allows the same bid to show 2 different values and expands the vocabulary, but only IMO.

WinstonM

[luke warm]

after 3♥ i'd also bid 3♠, showing the ace (or a void, unlikely).. i'm not sure i'd give up, as ben said, over 4♥.. constructing a "perfect minimum" leads to slam pretty easily... ♣Qx(x) might do it, along with some trump cards

[whereagles]

The alternative to splinter with singleton A, K or Q is to consider you have a balanced hand. After all, that singleton top honor is worth at least as much as a doubleton (and often more!).

Still, with the hand above I don't need any of that. Just bid 4NT and all should be fine. No need to complicate matters with cuebids.

[Walddk]

whereagles, on Jun 7 2005, 04:46 AM, said:

Still, with the hand above I don't need any of that. Just bid 4NT and all should be fine. No need to complicate matters with cuebids.

And punish partner by letting him play a doomed contract at the 5-level on the natural spade lead? Great approach.

Jxx
10xxx
QJx
Qxx

Maybe he should have passed 1♣ because he risks that you drive him to the 5-level moments later? That can hardly be winning bridge.

Roland

[whereagles]

Good grief.. Roland, when are you going to realize some people do NOT think in terms of the worst-case-scenario?

[MickyB]

Scoring: IMP

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Say the auction starts

1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠)
2♠

How should it continue? Is the 2♠ bid GF?

Sorry, I could probably have fitted more of my questions into the original post, but I wanted to give Justin an excuse to post several times to the thread under each of his aliases.

[Walddk]

whereagles, on Jun 7 2005, 06:38 AM, said:

Good grief.. Roland, when are you going to realize some people do NOT think in terms of the worst-case-scenario?

When are you going to realise that it's possible to investigate slam without bypassing a safe level? Punting seems to be your kind of game. It's ok of course, but it is not sound bridge in my opinion.

Roland

[mr1303]

I think the North hand is worth a 2C opening.

[Fluffy]

MickyB, on Jun 7 2005, 11:54 AM, said:

Sorry, I could probably have fitted more of my questions into the original post, but I wanted to give Justin an excuse to post several times to the thread under each of his aliases.

You might had waited just a bit more, these alias was suposed to be sleeping while you posted these .

It seems obvious that splinter works like a charm on the posted hand, but let's say you do not use it, after 2♠ soth won't accept the game invite and bid 3♥, then nortth will bid 3♠.

At these point South has to not fall asleep, North has not splintered, and is tryins slam, these means his ♠K is a golden card rather than a wasted value, he has to bid something encouraging such as 3NT or 4♣.