[bluehi]

Partner opened with 1 daimond and had a 4 card heart suit

I had good 8 card club suit with 2 H's 2Sp's and 1 dai
I opened eith 4 clubs, partner thinks you can not preempt his open bid

what should I have done??
thank you all for bring here for us.
mary/bluehi

[bearmum]

bluehi, on Jun 4 2005, 12:26 PM, said:

Partner opened with 1 daimond and had a 4 card heart suit

I had good 8 card club suit with 2 H's  2Sp's and 1 dai
I opened eith 4 clubs, partner thinks you can not preempt his open bid

what should I have done??
thank you all for bring here for us.
mary/bluehi

I guess you mean that you responded 4♣?

Without seeing the specific hands -- and the vul I suppose you could have responded 2♣ but IMHO partner is incorrect saying you can't jump to 4 in fact you might have considered 5♣

[Fluffy]

certainly if you had Ax Kx x AKJxxxxx 4♣ is not the proper bid.

[pmacfar]

How about responding 3NT?....make opponents guess which major suit partner is weak in (if any). Partner could be 4-4-3-2, but is likely 4-3-4-2 or 3-4-4-2. And if the club suit is runnable, then you would only need one trick from partner.

[Rebound]

Jlall, on Jun 4 2005, 11:26 PM, said:

he is correct, 4C is not a preempt over a 1D opener, it is a splinter. I think the ability to preempt over partners opener is silly, but some players play 1m p 2M is preemptive.

Here here! I personally have a great dislike for weak jump-shifts. 4♣ is out anyway.

It depends a great deal on the quality of the club suit and whether you held any cards in the majors I think. 3NT, 5♣ are both possibilites, but unless you play 2♣ as non-forcing over 1♦ I would likely just bid that and walk the dog a bit. The opponents might compete in the majors, so be it.

[Fluffy]

Today some friends of mine had these auction:

1♦-ps-5♣-ps
???

♠AQ10x
♥xx
♦KJxx
♣Qxx

the opener sadly had exactly 3♣ and didn't guess, finishing with -300

[MickyB]

Jlall, on Jun 5 2005, 04:26 AM, said:

he is correct, 4C is not a preempt over a 1D opener, it is a splinter. I think the ability to preempt over partners opener is silly, but some players play 1m p 2M is preemptive.

I love WJS - I play them as constructive (4-7, 5-8 or so), now bidding and rebidding your major is invitational, and jump rebidding it is GF. It leaves you with nasty guesses on some hands (eg 4♠6♥ responding to 1m) but makes up for it when you play 2♠ tick on an invitational auction when the field is split between 3♠, 4♠ and 3N.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

assuming you play a standard system,
answer 1 NT or 2C depending on the strength
of your hand, intending to (re-)bid clubs later.

Bidding 4C / 5C is not really an option
4C is normally defined as splinter
5C is ???, one possible meaning could Exclusion
Key Card Blackwood

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I would not worry to much about this hand, hands with
an 8 card suit and with partner opening the bidding are not
that much common enough.
Close you eyes, make a bid, go on.