[bestguru]

I'd like to see what you all think about this system I'm working on. I am plannig on calling it "Drunken Ramblings". It was strongly influence by Dr. Todd's "Purple twos", Misho and Ben's transfer preempts, and a bottle of vodka.

NT bids (includes all 5332)
1nt = 9-11
1c 1nt = 12-14
1d 1nt = 15-17
1c 2nt = 18-20
2c 2nt = 21-22
3S? = 23-24
3NT? = 25+


1 level suit openings are canape
showing 4 cards and a longer suit above the one bid
rebidding the suit shows a 6+ single suiter
unless jump shift rebid which is 6/4 with longer in the first suit
  NT GF
  1st step constructive no fit
  2nd step constructive fit
  3rd step preemptive no fit
  4th step premptif fit
over interference
  double: no fit
  suit opened: fit
  other suit: single suited


2 level bids are multi meaning. the two suit varieties may be 4/4

2c: strong 2C or weak D or H+m or GF 4441
  2D: < invitational opposite a weak 2D
    P: weak D
    2H: weaker H+m
    2S: stronger H+M
    2NT: 18-20 bal
    3C: GF 4441
      3D: asks for singleton
        3H: 3S: the singleton
        3NT: Club singleton
        3C: Diamond Singleton
  2H: invitational opposite a weak 2D
    2s: top of weak 2D or weak H+m
    2nt: weak H+C
    3C: weak H+D
    3D: bottom of weak 2D
    3H: Strong H+C
    3S: Strong H+D
    3N: GF 4441
      4c: singleton ask
    4C: strong club hand

2d: strong D or weak H or S+another
  2H: < invitational opposite a weak 2H
    P: weak H
    2S: weak S+another
      3c: pass/correct
      2N: ???
      3C: strong S+C
      3D: strong D
    3H: strong S+D
    3S: stribg S+C
  2S: invitational opposite a weak 2D
    2NT: weak S+C
    3C: weak S+D
    3D: weak S+H
    3H: bottom of weak H
    3S: top of weak H or weak S+another
      3NT: relay
        4C: S+C
        4D: S+D
        4H: weak H
    3NT: strong S+C
    4C: strong S+D
    4D: strong D
    4H: strong S+H

2h: strong H or weak S or C+D
  2S: < invitational opposite a weak 2S
    P: weak S
    2NT: weak C+D, C longer or equal length
    3c: mid C+D, D longer
    3d: strong H
    3H: strong C+D
  3NT: invitational opposite a weak 2D
    3C: weak C+D
    3D: top of weak S or weak C+D
      3H: relay
        3S: C+D
        3NT: AKQxxx spades
        4c: weak S
    3H: bottom of weak S
    3S: strong C+D, C longer or equal length
    3N: strong C+D, D longer

2s: strong S or weak 5/5
  2NT: relay
    3C: C+another
    3D: D + (H or S)
    3H: H + S
    3S: strong S


2NT and beyond are the transfer preempts Misho was teaching Ben.
They are either a weak 3 bid or a strong 5/5 with 4 losers or less


2NT: weak C or strong 5/5 with H
  3C: relay
    P: weak C
    3D: H + D
    3H: H + S, much better hearts
    3S: H + S
    3NT: H + D, better D, GF
    4D: big H + D
    4H: big H + S, better hearts
    4S: big H + S, probably 2 losers

3C: weak D or 5/5 with C
  3D: relay
    P: weak D
    3H: C + H
    3S: C + S
    3NT: C + S ??? losers?
    4H: C + H 2/3 loosers
    4S: C + S, great spades ??? losers?


3D: weak H or 5/5 with D
  3H: relay
    P: weak H
    3S: D + S
    3nt: D + C
    4?: stonger two suiters
    4D: S + D 3 losers
    4S:

3H: weak S or solid preempt
  3S: relay
    P: weak S
    3NT: solid C or Diamond
      P: gamble on 3NT
      4C: Pass/Correct
    4C: solid H, 2-3 spades
    4D: Solid S, 2-3 hearts
    4H: solid H
    4S: solid S

[Double !]

Me eyes are too tired to read your whole proposed system, so my response is strictly philosophical albeit biased by the fact that I, too, have my own little homegrown system.

1) Make sure that you are permitted to play whatever you brew up in the cauldron, and

2) I say "Go for it", Do it, use your creativity, develop it, try it out, work on it, refine it if and where you think it need refining. See what parts work well and under what conditions any part works better or works less well. How does it hold up in competitive bidding including pre-empts. If you don't you may wish at some point that you had.


Best of Luck and Success in your endeavor.

Don

[inquiry]

What is 1D opening bid and then rebid 2NT? This is probably very playable, I like opening four card majors, canape' for the preemptive value, I also like the really weak 1NT (do you change it for position or vul? doesn't seem so). If your partner can';t open 1NT in first/second seat, you may want to change the meaning of a thrid seat 1NT.

How strong is your GF 4441 hand you open 2♣ with? Can you give me hcp, controls, etc? This is a non-trivial question. Becuase you have removed the strong two suiters from both 2♣ and one of a suit (due to the transfer preempt). You also have funky way to seperate strong balanced hands, So this will have a direct effect on your jump shifts and reverses... except, you may reverse with 4441 type hands not strong enough for your 2♣ opening bid. I open 2♣ with 4441 hands and somewhere in the neighborhhod of 15 or 16 hcp as a minimum.. but 5 losers or less and 5 controls or more (stolen from Crhis Rydal). So that my reverses and jump shifts are "limited" by the inability to open with a strong two suiter, or "strong three suiter". You can make use of this limitiation if you remember you are playing it. This "limited" jump shifts is one of the biggest advantages of playing strong two suited version of the transfer preempts

[han]

Since you are opening 1m on 2 cards only, and 1M on 4-cards, you are always 1-card behind on "standard" systems after a 1-level opening. You may be able to make up for this later in constructive auctions, but this may be a problem in competitive auctions. Of course, your openings will steal their suit every once in a while, but I think that this will not make up for what you lose.

It seems to me that you can easily find a different way to bid the 23-24 balanced hands.

For the rest it seems like a lot of fun, except as said before, there may be many places where this would not be legal.

[bestguru]

Double:
   Thanks for the encouragement. Thankfully everything is legal on BBO . I'll keep truckin' on. Of course it helps that I like it when I have absolutely no clue what I'm doing

Hannie:
   Thanks for the respose. All one suit openings are on at least 4 cards unless it is the delayed NT via minor. Yes, the opps do get more of a chance to get in. I don't think stealing their suit is very much of an strength. However, you have conveyed more information to your partner. There are also those pesky 3rd and 4th step responses.

   Indeed I should use something else for 3s. I will be reworking my nt point ranges a bit. Don't really know what to do with 3s yet.

Ben:
Thanks a bunch for your help.
   Missing 1♦-2NT must have been the vodka's contribution. That will allow me to tighten up my nt ranges. I can see the merit of upping the range for the 1nt opening in the third seat. It might be interesting to bump up all the nt ranges by 2 and 4 in the 3rd and 4th seat . Must think about it.

   I agree 100% about limitting the jump shifts. I think I'll rob Chris Rydal as well. I have a hard time conceptualizing the 4441s so I said "heck with it, if I'm not super strong I'll let them have a play at it"

I'll start distilling this system soon. Unfortunately work is cutting in to my bridge time Hopefully I'll get this pot of mash up to at least 40 proof within the weak


Thanks all

[DrTodd13]

Don't know whether to be honored something I wrote is being extended or to be offended by the intimation that you'd have to be drunk to create/play it.

To be fair, purple twos also has transfer preempts and I considered rolling the
5-5 strong hands into the transfer preempts but I always feared that you are
poorly placed after interference to a transfer preempt with the 5-5 strong hands.

I've been tinkering with a system for me and my wife to play with the goal of being legal at mid-chart and tolerable at our club. Short summary is:

1♣ = 16+
1♦ = 4+♠, canape. 1♥ now starts symmetric relays.
1♥ = 4+♥, canape. 1♠ now starts symmetric relays.
1♠ = 5+♦, no 4cM. 2♣ now starts symmetric relays.
1NT = 12-15 bal, no 4cM unless 4333.
--------2♣ = puppet to 2♦ or any invitational hand
--------2♦ = artificial GF
--------others = to play
2♣ = 5+♣, no 4cM. 2♦ now starts symmetric relays.
2♦ = Wilkosz if allowed, otherwise Multi if allowed, otherwise weak.

Sort of like MOSCITO but engineered to remove the transfer-orientation of the
system so the hand that may be stronger gets to play it.

[bestguru]

DrTodd:
   To be honest, you should be more worried about the fact that it was me that extended them than the alchohol content. Seriously though, I liked the purple twos when I saw them sober and decided to muck them up once the vodka hit.
   I wonder if interference will be such a bad thing after the strong 5/4 varieties. One of the reasons I wanted to put them in there was to give them a little more excitement when they do want to interfere. Could be I just understimate peoples ability to deal with multi methods.

   If I ever decide to go to the club I think I'd like to try something like that. Just don't know if I could get into that scene.

Thanks

[DrTodd13]

LOL. Well...if you see me on-line then drop me a note and we can give these a try. Now that Gerard has quit bridge, the number of active purple 2 players has dropped by a large percentage.

Todd

[Double !]

Don't mean to be pedantic but, isn't the person's name Chris Ryall? He with the web site on various 2 bids?

DHL

[Al_U_Card]

What a great game we play, no? Something for everyone. I played a "homegrown" weak NT system for 10 years (1NT 10-12, 1C-1NT 16-18, 1D-1NT 13-15, 1C-2NT 19-20, 2NT 21-22) with a number of wrinkles to ensure that 2 principles were always maintained. Bids catered to the highest hand frequency possible and continuations were kept to as natural as possible to save wear and tear on pard's brain. Success over the years showed a couple of things. Elegance must not compromise efficiency and 2/1 game force methods confirm that opening a weak 1 NT with a 5 card major is rarely a good idea.
Congrats on your system, good luck with it and I hope that your pard's head won't explode at the table.....lol