[inquiry]

Well, I like to open 2♣ as much as possible. I play my 2♣ bids as recommended by Chris Ryal and open on any ACOL 2 in a major and 4441 and 4450 hands with 5 controls and 5 or fewer losers. This way, I open 2♣ a lot more than standard 2/1 people. With 2♥ as an instant double negative (or whatever you want to call it), opening 2♣ in BBO advanced still should be encouraged, imho.

[mike777]

inquiry, on May 6 2005, 10:53 AM, said:

Well, I like to open 2♣ as much as possible. I play my 2♣ bids as recommended by Chris Ryal and open on any ACOL 2 in a major and 4441 and 4450 hands with 5 controls and 5 or fewer losers. This way, I open 2♣ a lot more than standard 2/1 people. With 2♥ as an instant double negative (or whatever you want to call it), opening 2♣ in BBO advanced still should be encouraged, imho.

My impressions from reading the literature is that the strong one clubbers love to open 2c very often and the 'only 2/1 players' love to open one level and respond very light, Kokish may with zero hcp.

[Gerben42]

Agree with Beverly Kraft. 1♥.

Only open 2♣ on hands that you fear will be passed out. If you are unbalanced enough regardless of how many tricks, 1x will not be passed out. My record so far is 1♥ - ignore what everyone else does - 6♣.

[cherdano]

Hannie, on May 6 2005, 12:02 PM, said:

1H for me. I try to only open 2C with 1-suiters if I am afraid it get's passed out if I open at the 1-level.

I understand your reasoning when you need to know about partner's shape, or when you need to describe your shape to partner. But here you need to know a) whether partner is completely bust, and b) which controls he has.
To me, it seems like both are easier to find out with 2♣ (assuming no competition).

Arend

[awm]

mike777, on May 6 2005, 11:08 AM, said:

My impressions from reading the literature is that the strong one clubbers love to open 2c very often and the 'only 2/1 players' love to open one level and respond very light, Kokish may with zero hcp.

This is interesting, because I'm a long-time precision player and have noticed the exact opposite. Some of the reasons people (including me) like playing precision:

(1) The 2♣ opening in standard is often awkward. It's very frustrating to be dealt a rare good hand, and then be forced to preempt your own side out of the best contract.

(2) Opening light is encouraged! An opening range of 8-15 is MUCH more manageable than a range of 8-21, don't you think?

(3) Precision players are often obsessive about saving space on good hands, trying to keep the auction as low as possible and get as much information as possible.

When I play standard, I HATE opening 2♣. I will virtually never open 2♣ on a three suited hand, or a two-suiter with the longest suit being a minor. I try to avoid opening 2♣ (or 2NT) on balanced hands with a small doubleton. The fact is, it's hard to explore for the best strain when your constructive bidding starts at the three level.

On the other hand, the biggest problem with precision is, your opponents rarely stay silent after you open the strong 1♣. I'd bet that in a bidding contest, with opponents silent, precision with relays would win over standard or 2/1 hands down. But precision players in real life often find themselves in dilemmas arising from high-level interference after their 1♣ openings.

Anyways, despite my dislike for opening strong 2♣, I will open it on this hand. My feeling is, opening 2♣ is fine when (1) you know the strain and (2) you know you want to be in at least game. Most of the problems with strong 2♣ come when you try to negotiate the strain, or you want to stop below game opposite some hands. Strong 2♣ has a big advantage in hindering interference -- it's hard to bid at the two level when there's often a 22 balanced sitting next to you.

[mike777]

awm, on May 6 2005, 01:58 PM, said:

mike777, on May 6 2005, 11:08 AM, said:

My impressions from reading the literature is that the strong one clubbers love to open 2c very often and the 'only 2/1 players' love to open one level and respond very light, Kokish may with zero hcp.

This is interesting, because I'm a long-time precision player and have noticed the exact opposite. Some of the reasons people (including me) like playing precision:

When I play standard, I HATE opening 2♣. I will virtually never open 2♣

Anyways, despite my dislike for opening strong 2♣, I will open it on this hand. My feeling is, opening 2♣ is fine

Your Honor, the defense rests.

[mikestar]

Give me the same playing stenght and a two-suiter and the one bid stands out. With the actual one-suiter, 2C should be OK in spite of less than usual defensive values. This is rather parallel to Precision 1C--the minimum two-suiters get killed by premption, the minimum one suiters and balanced hands usually come out OK. Also the one suiter is much more likely to get passed out than a two suiter of similar playing strength.

[Gerben42]

Ceterum censeo Namyats addendam esse.

(pig Latin trying to say that Namyats should be part of the system)

Not on this hand though.

[Chamaco]

Gerben42, on May 10 2005, 10:21 AM, said:

Ceterum censeo Namyats addendam esse.

(pig Latin trying to say that Namyats should be part of the system)

Gerben did you use the Babelfish translation tools ?

[bearmum]

inquiry, on May 6 2005, 07:14 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

BP0-001-C
Your bid as dealer?

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Here I would prefer to bid 2♣ (as I understand BBO plus) because I truly believe 1♥ is a total underbid and 4♥ a copout ( because I think it SHOULD show an eight card suit ??)


PLEASE correct me if I don't understand BBO +

[whereagles]

Bearmum, I think this hand is not a question of system, but of judgement. (E.g. from 1H, 4H and 2C, which do you prefer.)

[Chamaco]

Jlall, on May 10 2005, 09:31 PM, said:

Even playing Namyats this hand is too strong for most partnerships (Some play 1 outside A or K, some play 8-8.5 tricks)

Same for me, too strong for a Namyats.
I like Romex Namyats requirements

[pigpenz]

I would open 2♣'s
old style2/1 2c-2d-3h-sets trumpsuit as solid
if pard bids 4h no aces or king, 3nt no aces but kings, and other bid shows an ace.

And yes the old Romex Namyats where you showed the number of controls in step responses is really nice too!

[JLOGIC]

As usual, disagree with jlall, 9 tricks is a 2C opener. So what if they interfere? I am 1 suited and am likely to be able to bid hearts next, showing good hearts and ~ 9 tricks. I will never be able to show a hand this good after opening 1H.