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What does hesitation suggest?

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Posted 2018-April-23, 01:16



South hesitated before bidding 3 - acknowledged and agreed.

What does the hesitation suggest?
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Posted 2018-April-23, 02:05

It seems to me that the most likely alternative calls South was considering were Pass (in other words his diamonds might be better than his hearts, and he might only have a doubleton heart) or 4 (in other words his hand might be better than a minimum).
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Posted 2018-April-23, 06:44

View PostWellSpyder, on 2018-April-23, 02:05, said:

It seems to me that the most likely alternative calls South was considering were Pass (in other words his diamonds might be better than his hearts, and he might only have a doubleton heart) or 4 (in other words his hand might be better than a minimum).


So if it is likely that South was considering 4 and if Pass is a Logical Alternative, would you expect a call of 4 by North (making +1) to be rolled back?
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Posted 2018-April-23, 06:55

View PostWellSpyder, on 2018-April-23, 02:05, said:

It seems to me that the most likely alternative calls South was considering were Pass (in other words his diamonds might be better than his hearts, and he might only have a doubleton heart) or 4 (in other words his hand might be better than a minimum).

The player might also have been considering 3NT. Whatever it was, I think it suggests going on rather than passing.
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Posted 2018-April-23, 07:32

View Postgordontd, on 2018-April-23, 06:55, said:

The player might also have been considering 3NT. Whatever it was, I think it suggests going on rather than passing.

Not if he was thinking of passing 3, perhaps.
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Posted 2018-April-23, 07:34

View PostTramticket, on 2018-April-23, 01:16, said:

South hesitated before bidding 3 - acknowledged and agreed.

What does the hesitation suggest?

The hesitation indicates that partner was thinking of making a different call, but we cannot tell what that was. I presume the holder of this hand is not playing Michaels cue bids, and forgot to double to show a good hand instead of bidding 3D. Now, pass is hardly an LA as game is excellent opposite xxxx Jx Qxx xxxx. The normal call at this point is 4D to show a good 5-5 and I would allow this, and I suppose allow 4H as well.
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Posted 2018-April-23, 08:51

View Postlamford, on 2018-April-23, 07:34, said:

Now, pass is hardly an LA as ...


I polled on Bridgewinners. Currently 16 votes for pass, 4 votes for 4, 2 votes for 4 and 9 abstentions - presumably because, like you (and me), they would have bid differently in earlier rounds. So Pass would seem to be an LA...

[Vulnerability was as here, but misdescribed on BW]
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Posted 2018-April-23, 09:03

View PostWellSpyder, on 2018-April-23, 02:05, said:

It seems to me that the most likely alternative calls South was considering were Pass (in other words his diamonds might be better than his hearts, and he might only have a doubleton heart) or 4 (in other words his hand might be better than a minimum).

Could a player who couldn't bid on the previous round really be considering bidding game now?

I think he probably has 2 hearts and 3 diamonds, so he was considering passing.

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Posted 2018-April-23, 09:38

View PostTramticket, on 2018-April-23, 01:16, said:



South hesitated before bidding 3 - acknowledged and agreed.

What does the hesitation suggest?


Inferences largely depend upon one's methods as well as the agreement to every action, regardless of which side acted; further, the presence and absence of mannerisms can be material.
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Posted 2018-April-23, 09:45

View Postaxman, on 2018-April-23, 09:38, said:

Inferences largely depend upon one's methods as well as the agreement to every action, regardless of which side acted; further, the presence and absence of mannerisms can be material.


The North/South card seemed to be natural (Acol) methods. No other mannerisms were observed, apart from the very significant hesitation.
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Posted 2018-April-23, 13:46

View PostTramticket, on 2018-April-23, 08:51, said:

I polled on Bridgewinners. Currently 16 votes for pass, 4 votes for 4, 2 votes for 4 and 9 abstentions - presumably because, like you (and me), they would have bid differently in earlier rounds. So Pass would seem to be an LA...

[Vulnerability was as here, but misdescribed on BW]

It is hard to put oneself in the place of someone who does not bid 2S and then does not double. We might be searching high and low for peers.
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