[virgosrock]

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and here we are.
note the h stopper. If I bid 3c over 2nt is weak and passable in my experience with GIBBO.

I cant bid 3c over 2H 'cos that is 17-18 or something like that. perhaps i do have 17-18 with the stiff heart. that might be the error here.

vrock

[nullve]

Unfortunately,

1♠-(P)-1N-(2♥); X = "5+ ♠; 15-21 HCP; biddable ♥; 22- total points",

which is totally unplayable.

Has a human come up with that explanation or is it somehow auto-generated?

[virgosrock]

nullve, on 2018-March-20, 02:50, said:

Unfortunately,

1♠-(P)-1N-(2♥); X = "5+ ♠; 15-21 HCP; biddable ♥; 22- total points",

which is totally unplayable.

Has a human come up with that explanation or is it somehow auto-generated?

i worry about the humans who envisaged the bidding software. minimally, it feels like was not tested enough

[steve2005]

nullve, on 2018-March-20, 02:50, said:

Unfortunately,

1♠-(P)-1N-(2♥); X = "5+ ♠; 15-21 HCP; biddable ♥; 22- total points",

which is totally unplayable.

Has a human come up with that explanation or is it somehow auto-generated?

It's not unplayable. It's a penalty double. Not uncommon after a NT bid. If partner has this hand you will kill 2♥.Takeout is more flexible. Plus Gib would pull the penalty when it's right and leave it when it's wrong!

The problem is Gib bid 2N without a stopper. Probably because the 3-bids are defined as weak and Gib has the points to invite.

Maybe a double Gib should be defined as takeout and is also defined as penalty.

[johnu]

virgosrock, on 2018-March-19, 18:46, said:

note the h stopper.

No problem with the ♥stopper that East shows. It's a likely 7th round stopper by my calculations.

[virgosrock]

johnu, on 2018-March-20, 13:30, said:

No problem with the ♥stopper that East shows. It's a likely 7th round stopper by my calculations.

LOL

[nullve]

1♠-(P)-1N-(2♥); P-(P)-?:

P = "No suitable call --- 3- ♠; 6+ HCP; 11- total points"
X = "1- ♠; 10+ HCP; biddable ♥; 12- total points"
2♠ = "2-3 ♠; 6+ HCP; 11- total points"
2N = "Invitational to 3NT game --- 3- ♠; 12+ HCP; 12- total points; stop in ♥"
3♣ = "6+ ♣; 2- ♠; 9-11 total points"
3♦ = "6+ ♦; 2- ♠; 9-11 total points"
3♥ = "3- ♠; 9-12 total points"
3♠ = "Limit major raise --- 3 ♠; 10-12 total points"
3N = "5- ♥; 3- ♠; 12+ HCP; 12- total points; likely stop in ♥"
(...)

Pick your poison.

[virgosrock]

nullve, on 2018-March-20, 14:46, said:

1♠-(P)-1N-(2♥); P-(P)-?:

P = "No suitable call --- 3- ♠; 6+ HCP; 11- total points"
X = "1- ♠; 10+ HCP; biddable ♥; 12- total points"
2♠ = "2-3 ♠; 6+ HCP; 11- total points"
2N = "Invitational to 3NT game --- 3- ♠; 12+ HCP; 12- total points; stop in ♥"
3♣ = "6+ ♣; 2- ♠; 9-11 total points"
3♦ = "6+ ♦; 2- ♠; 9-11 total points"
3♥ = "3- ♠; 9-12 total points"
3♠ = "Limit major raise --- 3 ♠; 10-12 total points"
3N = "5- ♥; 3- ♠; 12+ HCP; 12- total points; likely stop in ♥"
(...)

Pick your poison.

thanks nullve. choice of poisons is fascinating. am more sympathetic of the 2 nt. hearts have not been supported, partner passed over 2H thus QED.
Next time I bid 3C and get into more trouble.....

vrock