[Tramticket]

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Swiss Teams

Are you bidding? Opposite a passed partner?

[sfi]

4H. Am I missing something?

[eagles123]

yes it could go wrong of course but vul at teams you just have to bid game here

[The_Badger]

Distribution most always compensates, especially any 6-5, for lack of strength so it's an easy 4♥ for me too, even vulnerable opposite a passed partner.

[Jinksy]

We have a void in their solid suit. My main concern (which I don't think I can do anything about) is missing slam.

[Cyberyeti]

Jinksy, on 2017-July-25, 06:53, said:

We have a void in their solid suit. My main concern (which I don't think I can do anything about) is missing slam.

Slam opposite a passed partner is unlikely although not impossible (AQxx, xxxx, A, xxxx might make a grand with a following wind and opener 2137), the problem is where the right denomination is diamonds.

I would bid 4♥ as a double shot, against I/As, very few have discussed the follow ups to 3N in competition, the hand opposite 3N is likely to be fairly big, and might only need to bid 4♦ to find a stiff heart to bid a slam if you pass.

[rmnka447]

4 ♥ here also.

There's no way to know what's making or going down. With a 5 loser 6-5 hand, you've got to act.

I don't necessarily believe LHO has to have a big hand. Between your hand and the 3 NT bidder's hand, you account for about half the points in the deck. (3 NT bidder ought to have something like ♣ AKQ10xxx minimum.) So the remainder of the points are distributed between LHO and your passing partner. I'd expect the point split to be closer to 10/10 than 20/0.

I wouldn't be surprised to see that this hand could be a double game swing hand where both sides can make game.

[Cyberyeti]

rmnka447, on 2017-July-25, 09:01, said:

4 ♥ here also.

There's no way to know what's making or going down. With a 5 loser 6-5 hand, you've got to act.

I don't necessarily believe LHO has to have a big hand. Between your hand and the 3 NT bidder's hand, you account for about half the points in the deck. (3 NT bidder ought to have something like ♣ AKQ10xxx minimum.) So the remainder of the points are distributed between LHO and your passing partner. I'd expect the point split to be closer to 10/10 than 20/0.

I wouldn't be surprised to see that this hand could be a double game swing hand where both sides can make game.

There is around half the deck, split between 2 hands where you can rule out your partner having 12 or more (possibly most 11s too) and a few weaker hands, that looks to me like an average of maybe 13-14 for the unpassed hand.

[neilkaz]

sfi, on 2017-July-25, 01:54, said:

4H. Am I missing something?

You could be missing going -1100. That being said I am also bidding 4♥.

[helene_t]

Suppose you play multi-landy. Is there a case for bidding 4♦ instead of 4♥?

[Tramticket]

neilkaz, on 2017-July-25, 16:55, said:

You could be missing going -1100.

One deal proves nothing of course, but this prediction proved remarkably accurate. In a field of 48 teams, 24 played in doubled four or five-level contracts in Hearts or Spades. The average penalty for these players was greater than 1100 and for two pairs it was 1700.

Of course, you risk missing a vulnerable game if you pass. You might miss a slam? Well, possibly, but I would judge that opps are far more likely to have slam than you. I was interested to see how people assessed the risk / reward balance.

It was an interesting hand. What do you do with the South cards if 3NT is passed to you:

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[Note: South doesn't have an extreme hand - just a misfit for partner and values in the red suits].

[sfi]

neilkaz, on 2017-July-25, 16:55, said:

You could be missing going -1100. That being said I am also bidding 4♥.

Meh. If I go -1100 on this hand, I expect it will be a flat board.

[sfi]

Tramticket, on 2017-July-26, 02:03, said:

It was an interesting hand. What do you do with the South cards if 3NT is passed to you:

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[Note: South doesn't have an extreme hand - just a misfit for partner and values in the red suits].

4C, of course. That should make at least 7 more tricks than 3NT.

Ugly hand for East to walk into though.

[Cyberyeti]

sfi, on 2017-July-26, 02:07, said:

4C, of course. That should make at least 7 more tricks than 3NT.

Ugly hand for East to walk into though.

Partner always has Q, 10xx, Qx, AKQJxxx if you bid 4♣ but it's clearly the right bid.