[shanbari]

Scoring: IMP

E S W N
1S ?

this is one of the hand i "hated", because i have no idea of what to do, and i choosed Pass.

well it doesn't work out so well.


SHAN

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[pclayton]

The heart suit is sort of an illusion. Unless you catch pard with 5, there are very few layouts where hearts is the right strain.

Even on a 4-4, dummy will be tapped with the spade leads, blowing the communication to the club suit.

So preempt in clubs to liking. 4 feels right to me.

[flytoox]

That it didnt work out well doesnt mean it is wrong. I still vote for pass.

[luis]

As Jlall said except pass I think any card in the bidding box may work.
If I have to choose then I think it depends on my pd. 5♣ is ok in "default" situations.

[HeartA]

I choose 4C over 3C or 5C (all of them are reasonable)

[EricK]

4♣ is my guess.

Eric

[inquiry]

Never put down an eight card suit as dummy, and never, ever have it unbid not vul versus vul.... and playing on defense....

Five Clubs, what are you waiting for?

[Fluffy]

inquiry, on Apr 18 2005, 06:29 PM, said:

Never put down an eight card suit as dummy

I guess you get trouble when both you and your partner have an 8 card suit (just joking, don't go so hard on me :_( )

I don't see how pass can help our side, it is pretty clear we have a ♣ pre-emp, what did you want to acomplish by passing?

[EricK]

inquiry, on Apr 18 2005, 06:29 PM, said:

Never put down an eight card suit as dummy, and never, ever have it unbid not vul versus vul.... and playing on defense....

Five Clubs, what are you waiting for?

4♣ v 5♣ is a difficult decision.

Are we sure that we don't want LHO to stretch to 4♠? Partner may have a good penalty double and maybe we have an unexpected good lead (♥K).

Eric

[ochinko]

4♣ with the intention to go to 5 if LHO bids 4♠, but only against weak opponents. Against experts I'd bid 5♣ directly. If nothing else I couldn't hope for better vulns for the bid.

Petko

[P_Marlowe]

5C at this colors, especially if you intend
to bid it anyway, if they bid 4S.

At any other vulnerability 4C.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

I think I'd stick to 4C "only". Opps probably have spades, but if pard has 4 or 5 of them, they'll be in big trouble to make 4S, especially given I have a good lead. A direct 5C, given the lack of honors, is rather likely to attract an easy double for a couple down when 4S wasn't even making.

[joker_gib]

5♣ : 8 cards suit and extra shape and as Phil said ♥ are an illusion !

Make them guess as soon as possible

Alain

[shanbari]

Scoring: IMP

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EW 4S has a little challenge due to diamond suit splits.

N-S 5C sacrifice would get average score.

however N-S 5H is cold, especially receiving club lead. only 1 of 8 table reached 5h.

SHAN

[pclayton]

This is the odd layout where hearts is a betterspot than clubs. You need either hearts or clubs to cooperate. The play requires a little skill with a spade lead, but the posters here can handle it.

Reverse the North and West hands and you see the peril of bidding the hand slow (passing???). The auction starts 1S - pass - 2D - pass (don't tell me you'd overcall 2H on This)-4C splinter - pass - 4S - all pass. So the passers get to defend 4S when they are gin for 6C.

[flytoox]

pclayton, on Apr 20 2005, 10:31 PM, said:

This is the odd layout where hearts is a betterspot than clubs. You need either hearts or clubs to cooperate. The play requires a little skill with a spade lead, but the posters here can handle it.

Reverse the North and West hands and you see the peril of bidding the hand slow (passing???). The auction starts 1S - pass - 2D - pass (don't tell me you'd overcall 2H on This)-4C splinter - pass - 4S - all pass. So the passers get to defend 4S when they are gin for 6C.

Honestly I would never worry about missing such slam.

[pclayton]

flytoox, on Apr 20 2005, 03:55 PM, said:

Honestly I would never worry about missing such slam.

But you should worry about the double game swing you gave up defending 4♠ when your partners doubled 5♣ at their table making with an overtrick.

I'm having a fun time with the play in 4♠. Heart, heart and stiff diamond continuation. We are cold if we guess to hook, but it looks natural to rise with the A and play a spade.

So, spade to Ace getting the bad news. It looks like declarer needs to play a high diamond out of his hand which needs to be ducked. Club to board, spade hook (splitting) and put North in with a diamond. Best play is a heart, which you ruff low in your hand and overruff on the board (!). ♣K, pitching a diamond and two good diamonds, but you haven't shortened yourself enough, so you are -1.

With the exception of the diamond hook, can anyone do better?

[Free]

This is probably a nice hand for a little system I started to play with my f2f partner. We'd start by bidding 2♣, showing 8-15HCP and 4+♣ and 4+♥. After opps bidding, we can show our length in ♣ by bidding ♣ again.

In standard however, 5♣ seems the right bid.

[the hog]

5C for me