[Fluffy]

♠10x
♥9xx
♦K9xx
♣AKxx

W - N - E - S
1♦- X-3♦-??

3♦ is a weak raise.

[the hog]

Pass, but in tempo. Will bid 3N if pd doubles again.

[Walddk]

Vulnerability and scoring format please.

Roland

[luke warm]

i double

[flytoox]

luke warm, on Apr 16 2005, 02:19 PM, said:

i double

Jimmy, I think dbl here shows 4-4 majors.

[flytoox]

I pass. If pd dbl again, I probably will pass again, though vul. would affect my decision.

[luke warm]

flytoox, on Apr 16 2005, 08:33 AM, said:

luke warm, on Apr 16 2005, 02:19 PM, said:

i double

Jimmy, I think dbl here shows 4-4 majors.

really? seems like a waste, eh? why can't it show a hand with support for the unbid suits, ie a takeout?

[flytoox]

luke warm, on Apr 16 2005, 02:38 PM, said:

flytoox, on Apr 16 2005, 08:33 AM, said:

luke warm, on Apr 16 2005, 02:19 PM, said:

i double

Jimmy, I think dbl here shows 4-4 majors.

really? seems like a waste, eh? why can't it show a hand with support for the unbid suits, ie a takeout?

This is because pd's dbl DOES NOT promise 44 majors. If you have 4-4 majors, then you will not know whether you have 4-4 heart fit or 4-4 spade fit. By playing responsive dbl here, you are telling pd that you have 4-4 majors and would like him to pick one. Pd's dbl is t/o and he is asking you to pick a suit. So only if you think it is better for him to pick the suit will you do so. This is the point of dbl. If you have only one 4 card major, just bid it. Of course, your responsive dbl could only show 3-3 major. But it is very unlikely at 3 level.

Of course, you can play dbl as penalty, but I strongly recommend to play it as responsive dbl.

[whereagles]

Pass here. If pard has extras he will bid again.

We might lose the partscore, but sure won't miss our game if it's there.

[Fluffy]

Double doesn't promise both majors, it can be many things, for example 4M-5♣ its an obvious double.

[han]

I voted pass, but I would really like to know the form of scoring.

[Elianna]

Am strongly tempted by double (penalties for my regular partnership), but my partner would probably be mad at me when it makes, and since I like him and don't like making him mad unnecessarily, like others I shall pass, and hope to go positive.

If partner reopens with a double, I'm again tempted to leave it in. I think that I shouldn't, and should try 3nt, but it's very hard not to pass that.

As others have pointed out, it depends on scoring, vuln, and for me, mood.

[awm]

Double, which is for penalty in all my regular partnerships.

I expect 3♦ to be down at least one, fairly frequently two down. We might have 3NT, or we might not. If I pass, partner most likely will NOT reopen, and we will defend 3♦ undoubled.

Hands like this one are quite frequent and they are the reason I play this double as penalties.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

But I wont do it in tempo, greating a terrible situation
for partner. Well, this time they got us.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mr1303]

I'll pass and pass again if partner reopens. Partner shouldn't have a strong 5/6 card major on this bidding. I'm not bidding a 4 card minor at the 4 level here, with such good defense to 3D.