[pigpenz]

Was playing in a game run by XXXXXX [name removed by forum admin].

auction
2♥ x 4♥ p
p p?


ooops hit the wrong button I meant to bid! no undoes allowed
your hand
♠ AK8743
♥ K5
♦ K
♣ AK102


Now the story: I tried to explain to to TD (xxxxxxx) that maybe he should let our zero stand, but the opponents prolly should only be AVG+....his respons I should never play in his games again.....Now i tried to tell him that he still needs to protect the rest of the field sitting the opponents way. That being a director was more than just baby sitting

maybe the undoes not allowed should be more on the play than on bidding

I am a big boy i can take my bad result...hehe

[pigpenz]

talked with Gerardo and he said there wasnt an option for AVG+/0 maybe there should be

[jillybean]

I agree with the TD - 100%

[cherdano]

You lost. Next case please.

Seriously, you cannot protect the field from you misbidding or misclicking. Otherwise the TD had to adjust the result "to protect the field" whenever I make a misbid, or take a finesse that is sure to lose, play for the 70% squeeze instead of the 90% one, or do other silly things, and he/she would be pretty busy in any tournament I take part in...

[pigpenz]

that is true....but in the old days before computer play....TD's had to make deciscions like that on a regular basis and then there were committees made up of usually the better players that usually had a chance to correct a wrong. So in essence what we are saying is that Tournament Directors on BBO are glorified babysitters.

Before play started to dwindle at club games in the ACBL Directors had to be certified so one had to have a basic understanding of the laws of bridge. So we can through out our shingle calling ourselves TD's run a game and not have any ideas of the laws of bridge, somehow that doesnt seem right.

[uday]

Pigpenz


- ACBL club games (our ACBL "tournaments" on BBO) are run by ACBL-certified TDs. There is no other certification.

- However, I will certify that every TD who runs free games has demonstrated a willingness to perform an often boring job so that others can push cards around without worrying about opps blinking out, sitouts, and the like.

- Even in the old days, I doubt strongly that people would sit around after the game to form committes instead of running off to the bar. It is possible you are thinking of real life tourneys, where the sponsoring organization (ACBL, WBF, etc) does indeed make people give up their dinner to argue about stuff like this.

- In 25 years of club bridge, I have yet to see an AC form at the club level. I have often seen a TD go up to a more experienced player before making a ruling.


- So, what I am saying is not that our TDs are "glorified babysitter" but that a TDs job here, *AND ANYWHERE* is to keep the game moving. Not to cure cancer.



Since all of you are all ladies and gentlemen, we will allow pigpenz his gentle jab without taking undue offence. Further, we'll make sure this thread does not not devolve into yet another

"TDs suck bec. their rulings suck. The other day, I..."
"No, you suck bec. you dont appreciate free Ts...run them yourself if you think it is easy"
"No, BBO sucks bec. it doesnt allow TDs to be rated by the honest and hardworking players"
"No, the software sucks bec. it doest allow me to mount lasers on my head"
"You all suck bec. you take these games too seriously"

..sort of thread

[pigpenz]

hehe....i do my share of babysitting
At club games I grew up in Omaha we had committees all the time.
Uday you should have played in Omaha we used to have our committees in bars

[mikestar]

As far as I can tell, nowhere in the Laws is any notion of protecting the field in such a situation.

There was no infraction in the case at hand and no basis for any ruling. You get your 0 and they get their top. A top from one's own brilliance or from opponent's mechanical error both count the same, and its the same for everyone in the field.

The TD was 100% correct in his non-ruling.

[mycroft]

In the Laws, there is a specific time limit where "oops" bids can not be corrected: it happens to make "no undos" tournaments not conform to those Laws (though the draft Online Laws may be different), but "no undos, but TD can undo" are okay. No matter, you agree to the regs or the tourney when you sign up (which includes no undos), so the rest of the Laws apply.

And the Law states that if someone attempts to change their call after the time limits are past, it is an illegal change of call and is withdrawn. And yes, that means that people get to play 5H-10. And it means that their opponents score +1000. And if that's 15000 on a 15000 top, more power to them. (Oh, by the way, I ruled exactly that in my club game on Saturday - no idea what the result was, but I'm *sure* that 5H on the 6-card fit scored worse than either 5 or 6S on the 9-carder).

If all that had to be done to pooch my great bidding to a gorgeous contract that I am going to make for a huge score is for an opponent to say "I made a mistake and should have bid. I can accept my zero, but he should only get A+"...well I think anyone can see where I'm going with this. Of course that's an exaggeration of the case at the top of the thread, but if it's allowed, it's allowed, right?

Well, it's not. You make a careless bid and don't notice it until after you're allowed to change it, you get to play it. You hold a card as defender in a way that partner might be able to see it at your turn to play, you've played it, even if it's the silliest mispull in the world. "No unwarranted gifts to opponents?" "Protect the Field?" Pah. I thought those chimaera had been stamped out.

Michael.

[pigpenz]

this is waht The Bridge World Editorial Dept. had to say

Dear xxx
Regarding this: It seems to me that this is a simple matter of law; I
assume (but do not know) that the online rules cover electronic errors. (In
this particular case, it seems easy to adjust things to normal. No one did
anything after yor misclick, nor will anyone get info from knowing you
pressed the wrong button. So the director, if permitted, should siply let
you bid four spades.)
Best wishes,
Jeff Rubens

[candybar]

uday, on May 2 2005, 09:21 AM, said:

... Further, we'll make sure this thread does not not devolve into yet another

"TDs suck bec. their rulings suck. The other day, I..."
"No, you suck bec. you dont appreciate free Ts...run them yourself if you think it is easy"
"No, BBO sucks bec. it doesnt allow TDs to be rated by the honest and  hardworking players"
"No, the software sucks bec. it doest allow me to mount lasers on my head"
"You all suck bec. you take these games too seriously"

..sort of thread

Uday, you just won my heart! I'm still laughing.